Awakened Banned 10 days

[raato]

Did I understand this correctly?

Awakened leadership gives 100% seal of approval to their players cheat to secure wins even after asked to stop it by other guild leaders and they do nothing to stop those players from posting youtube videos about themselves cheating?

And then after they get in trouble from that, they get rid of that player who happened to win most FTE races by cheating (eventho they gave him full support to do so) and try to save their own face by accusing other guilds also cheating instead of expressing their regrets to p99 community how they took things a bit too far?

Sounds like a solid leadership over there.

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One thing is for sure, if footrace rules remain as they are, there is no way to police that alt-tab jumping happens without players posting their cheat videos online and there is still next to 0 chances for guilds who respect the rules to win footraces, no matter how much time they invest into it.

[RedXIII]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did I understand this correctly?

Awakened leadership gives 100% seal of approval to their players cheat to secure wins even after asked to stop it by other guild leaders and they do nothing to stop those players from posting youtube videos about themselves cheating?

And then after they get in trouble from that, they get rid of that player who happened to win most FTE races by cheating (eventho they gave him full support to do so) and try to save their own face by accusing other guilds also cheating instead of expressing their regrets to p99 community how they took things a bit too far?

Sounds like a solid leadership over there.

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One thing is for sure, if footrace rules remain as they are, there is no way to police that alt-tab jumping happens without players posting their cheat videos online and there is still next to 0 chances for guilds who respect the rules to win footraces, no matter how much time they invest into it.

You sound truly mad and misinformed my friend. Seek help.

Hjial as an app had more fte's then lots of guilds in this server and alt+tab was not a thing back there. Wanna trow the guy name in the mud? do it with information and not biased QQ'in about fte races to try and estabilish a server rotation to suit your lazy as fuck casual needs.

Before you say something dumb like that, have the balls to come race. Alt+tab is beatable, several people who doesn't alt tab have beaten Hjial, Mistin, Detoxx in races. Belive what you want but its not this huge omg so fast exploit that everyone wanna belive.

[RedXIII]

Originally Posted by RedXIII [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sound truly mad and misinformed my friend. Seek help.

Hjial as an app had more fte's then lots of guilds in this server and alt+tab was not a thing back there. Wanna trow the guy name in the mud? do it with information and not biased QQ'in about fte races to try and estabilish a server rotation to suit your lazy as fuck casual needs.

Before you say something dumb like that, have the balls to come race. Alt+tab is beatable, several people who doesn't alt tab have beaten Hjial, Mistin, Detoxx(Most famous alt+tabbers) in races. Belive what you want but its not this huge omg so fast exploit that everyone wanna belive.

[Relbaic]

Originally Posted by RedXIII [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Before you say something dumb like that, have the balls to come race.

Lol

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by RedXIII [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Before you say something dumb like that, have the balls to come race.

Racing in a fixed race? Where people openly cheat? That seems like a terrible waste of time. Raato has raced a lot, and won quite a few, in Kael, so its not that he "doesn't have the balls", and CSG often have racers in ToV, but its always seemed very dumb "knowing" some people didn't play by the rules, and, guess what, we were right, they didn't.

For some people on this server, winning is more important than playing, and as long as staff feels thats the best possible raid scene, nothing will change - this week its alt-tabbing, next week its something else.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Racing in a fixed race? Where people openly cheat? That seems like a terrible waste of time. Raato has raced a lot, and won quite a few, in Kael, so its not that he "doesn't have the balls", and CSG often have racers in ToV, but its always seemed very dumb "knowing" some people didn't play by the rules, and, guess what, we were right, they didn't.

For some people on this server, winning is more important than playing, and as long as staff feels thats the best possible raid scene, nothing will change - this week its alt-tabbing, next week its something else.

If the staff would just make sure every scenario is covered it wouldn't be an issue. Zero transparency means you don't know the racing "meta" so you're doomed to lose the vast majority of the time. Then sirken suspends one guild when both had been doing it and both admitted openly that it was an employed tactic. The whole thing is gross.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the staff would just make sure every scenario is covered it wouldn't be an issue. Zero transparency means you don't know the racing "meta" so you're doomed to lose the vast majority of the time. Then sirken suspends one guild when both had been doing it and both admitted openly that it was an employed tactic. The whole thing is gross.

Aftermath probably didn't have any documented wins from alt-tabbing, which probably explains why they weren't suspended. Always did seem like you could do whatever the fuck you wanted but once it turned into a gain it was open for suspension. I still think both parties should get kicked in the nuts on this one, though.

And it's probably easier to just make a rule that outlines explicitly what is allowed vs what isn't - fuckery emerges from all sorts of unpredictable areas. I'm of the belief the current rule set was pretty clear to not be doing anything other than strafe running with sow and using your one stamina bars worth of jumps. If this wasn't clear to A/A then they're both retarded and should have known better based on what happened after shadow masks and rile jumping - two things not written down, but ruled against the spirit of the rule.

[arsenalpow]

But isn't it just 10000% easier and less shady to just document this shit when a new grey area tactic pops up? Then you don't have up and coming guilds out of the loop, and you don't have this perceived bias. That's really the gross part for me, it feels like the staff could not give two shits about clean competition when they keep rulings locked behind the Skype group of break Detoxx and getsome.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But isn't it just 10000% easier and less shady to just document this shit when a new grey area tactic pops up? Then you don't have up and coming guilds out of the loop, and you don't have this perceived bias. That's really the gross part for me, it feels like the staff could not give two shits about clean competition when they keep rulings locked behind the Skype group of break Detoxx and getsome.

Grey area shit goes undetected for a while and lands wins. Itll be an uphill battle of low tier nerds not in the loop on this months grey area shit that hasn't been publicly outed.

If the goal is even ground it should just be stated what is allowed and anything outside of that is illegal and open to suspension (which imo most guilds are already operating under this assumption ).

Or nuke all limits and let the beardiest survive!

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aftermath probably didn't have any documented wins from alt-tabbing, which probably explains why they weren't suspended. Always did seem like you could do whatever the fuck you wanted but once it turned into a gain it was open for suspension. I still think both parties should get kicked in the nuts on this one, though.

And it's probably easier to just make a rule that outlines explicitly what is allowed vs what isn't - fuckery emerges from all sorts of unpredictable areas. I'm of the belief the current rule set was pretty clear to not be doing anything other than strafe running with sow and using your one stamina bars worth of jumps. If this wasn't clear to A/A then they're both retarded and should have known better based on what happened after shadow masks and rile jumping - two things not written down, but ruled against the spirit of the rule.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EotU_uEquQ4

Nah they won FTEs just like Awakened did using the unclassic ability to click off the screen to lower FPS. Wouldn't happen if we couldn't ALT TAB like you could in classic. Down with the Titanium client, WTB Trilogy client!

But really, you are right. There are a lot of things that go against the spirit of the rules, that guilds do. Mainly because they aren't explicitly banned. And while having crystal clear rules would be lovely, the game is so dynamic with so many nuances it's very difficult to cover every single thing. Though when a ruling like this is made, it should just be added into the stickies raid rules list so anyone who is new or doesn't follow RNF or dig through 2 year old raid petitions can see that it is explicitly prohibited.

This behavior though is pretty difficult to see and police unless you have fraps from the offending player. So while it's great to ban it, I fully expect people to still do it since it's difficult to prove. Just the way some nerds operate. The sickness to acquire Yellow Text at any cost seems to be the only similarity between Red and Blue.

At this point just rotate everything but the top mobs like Vulak, Vyemm, Dozekar, Statue, King Tormax, Phara Dar, ST Golems and ST Dragons (when they put sleeper back down). Just make those mobs FFA to get FTE, no kiting rules or any of that shit, kite if you want. Sit under it with a Gate pot, Mage CotH, poopsock spawn with 90 Nerds. Whatever you want. Casual players can deal without the top pixel mobs and still be happy to raid NToV and other shit.

That should remove most of the fraps worth events except when someone purposefully trains you. Basically the only time staff should get involved anyways.

I thought racing would be an improvement over Magician CoTH. And it slightly is, because Mage CotH FTE is retarded, but it opens up far more grey areas which nerds feel they need to operate in to win pixelage.