Game Mechanics: Sneak pulling revisited

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Conjecture, no matter how plausible, isn't useful in this context. Please feel free to provide proof.

Proof of what? I merely suggested a common misconception in the game that would lead to a lot of people swearing something works, often time contradicting one another yet very sure their experience is true/correct, when in fact it was something else entirely going on.

[ReoDobbs]

Bump.

Outside of DMN's rant about how he has a "feeling" that others had a "feeling" of something he doesn't "feel" is not classic, a lot of solid information here that should at least be addressed if not changed.

[eisley]

Sneak pulling is classic, yeah What wasn't classic is standing up while sneaking causing guaranteed memblur on mobs with backs turned to you.

[eisley]

One last try before filed under "Hopeless, pending update."

[Buellen]

So I recently returned and startedf playing my ranger again and decided to test out how sneak pulling WAS working on project 1999 Currently.

Test 1 sneak on shoot at the 4 spawn behind bandit hill in west karana level 16 ranger 100 range bow 150 range arrows. shooting face up hill shot closes bandit 3 come 4th one furthest one back does not come. Repeated this 4 times to make sure behavior was corret.

test 2 2 spawn bandits half way along road to north karana just north of the 4 spawns 4 tent bandit camp. these two always pulling no matter if i had sneak on they are simply to close together to sneak pull.

Leveled my ranger to level 17 move lake of ill omen.

Test 3 4 spawn of iksar bandits /mauraders. building half way across the valley to cabals city. two of spawns are further than other 2 spawn who stand next to each other in a doorway of ruined building.

Could easily pull singly the two farthest spawns with sneak on. AS in west karana if the mobs are close to each other you will pull them together even if you have sneak on.


As some have posted Distance between the mobs you are trying to split is what really matter when sneak pulling.

[Rygar]

I know pretty done to death, but stumbled across this post on Dolalin's archive engine. Seems to imply that hide (i.e. invis) was a factor and that no mob you are pulling in the group can see through your invis or it will fail. Basically throw an item (which disengages hide/sneak) and while it is in the air but before hitting target you need to successfully reapply. Post is dated 3/16/2001:

https://web.archive.org/web/20030414...icID=172.topic

I was reading some posts on the safehouse rogue and noticed a thread about the sneak/pulling technique. After undesrtanding how it works, I realized our bolt spells could allow the same kind of single pulling provided you have a partner that can invis.

Here is how sneak pull works : you have two or more mobs at the same spot that can't be pulled single directly but that don't see through sneak, and you have enough room to throw something at them from long range. You turn sneak/hide on, wait for it to refresh, then throw a long range weapon at one of the mobs and just after pressing the range attack hotkey you press the hide/sneak one (with hide first). If you had enough range, you become hidden before the ranged attack hits your target. Thus, the mob comes single.

[Spit]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know pretty done to death, but stumbled across this post on Dolalin's archive engine. Seems to imply that hide (i.e. invis) was a factor and that no mob you are pulling in the group can see through your invis or it will fail. Basically throw an item (which disengages hide/sneak) and while it is in the air but before hitting target you need to successfully reapply. Post is dated 3/16/2001:

https://web.archive.org/web/20030414...icID=172.topic

Same worked with SK + CoS + Bow (CoS acting as a "sneak" or invis. Even if classic, I doubt it will ever make its way back here

[Caiu]

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....Q/gTpf514EIqgJ

James Grahame

8/16/02



"jaZZmanian Devil" <js...@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> That brings up another question. And I'm really hoping I haven't played
> 2+ years with a total misunderstanding of this. But it deals with how
> invis and the mob's aggro/hate list work together.
>
> It was my impression that, once you were on a mob's hate list (had
> aggro'd it) that invis would not work on that mob for as long as you
> were on the list.
Correct. The key is being Invis before you get added to the hate list.
It works very much the same as sneak pulling does for a rogue - throw
something, hit Sneak before the weapon lands. You will now pull only the
thing you hit, and any mobs that get aggro passed to them where you aren't
in their rear arc.

James

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....Q/3WpiEMlXImcJ

Mark A. Rimer

8/16/02


"James Grahame" <jamesg...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Correct. HIDE won't work on any once you're on the hate list, but a
successful sneak is 100% effective on every mob in the game. Not
only that, but if you're pulling a single mob, you don't even have to sneak
to get through the other mobs on the path back until you get right to them.
This is handy pre-55 when sneak is still slower, but is REALLy fun and
useful at levels 58-60 when you can't really tell much difference between
sneak speed and regular speed.

Sneak pulling was how I learned to solo the lizard sentinals from the
maze in Cazic back when rogues didn't get groups in Cazic (pick-ups,
anyways) without pulling back green warders and defenders.

[Buellen]

just adding more info to this discussion.


my finds:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monk...-t534-s30.html


September 27th, 2001, 7:51 pm #32

Last time i tried this, it worked perfectly, but I have only tried a few times, and have only had it work well twice, but I think there is room for improvement.

I've been yo-yoing Giants in kael for a month or so. My guild dosent have the lvls to do the arena, so we've been hunting other spots in Kael that drop armor. I have started using my sneak button and have had some odd results.

Hypothisis 1
Agroed lazy mobs are not affected by agroed unlazy mobs near them.

Hypothisis 2
Sneak affects lazy agro radius.


Im not 100% on this, but i think there is something there. Regardless, using my sneak button I have gotten some beautiful single pulls out of clumps of giants.

Im going to go to Kael tonight and do some tests on this. I will post more when i have something more concrete.


Disciple Takhim
Tallon Zek





March 4th, 2002, 5:39 pm #35

Here is a tehnique for pulling static spawns that I'm not going to claim ownership of(read it here somewhere, wish I could attribute it), but I think is damn cool.

Find a group of static spawns that always face the same direction. Tons of examples of these, Guards are probably the most common example. Run behind them while they're still at their spawn points and feign. So now you're behind them and they're facing away from you. Hit sneak and stand up behind one. Target one and Instill Doubt over and over until it sticks. ID is nonaggro until it succeeds(if it's resisted this won't work, so maybe not best for uber mobs with high resists) and when it succeeds one of them will run away from the others while the others will turn and beat on you. This other one will go to the max distance from you along it's path. Have a tagger out there and you can feign once the mob runs far enough away from the others to be out of assist range.

The other static spawns forget you almost immediately, they're still at their spawn points, the one that was feared can be tagged.

Rinse and repeat for all the static spawns

Good pushing!

Steven


https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monk...eath-t681.html


December 16th, 2001, 10:38 pm #7

From the "What do do when you are tired of laying there" department

beside my FD button i made one titled FSnek that is simply

/loc
/sit off
/doability (sneak)

This does double duty. It gives me my normal sneak button, AND it allows me to get up from a feign and immediately start sneaking. Unless a mob just sticks there for a bit, they will all be out of 'line-of-site' when you are ready to get up, so this can and will save yer butt. The /loc part is a matter of discipline for me. I add it to everything I do, and almost always I have a reference point to find my corpse.

Today I was using Froon to practice my 2hb (28... arrrgh) with my new swoobie Adamantite Bo. here's my tactic, to make the above clear.

1) sneak and approach Froon (who i now refer to as Homer Simpson) from behind.
2) WHILE SNEAKING instill doubt. I never got a sucessful one against him, but hey, i can dream... it always seemed to fizzle on the third try and he would aggro.
3) whack away for several blows, i.e. til i got down to a couple of red bubbles.
4) back up to my original spot behind him at the edge of his aggro radius, FD, wait for him to go back.

5) press the said button above, bind my wounds, mend if it was ready, and back at him.

I also chased a Corrupted Mammoth halfway across Everfrost like this today solo. whack, whack, FD, bind, bind, chase, whack, whack...

Just my 2cp.

HaoChi Tsu
30th level Monk on Tarew-Marr

[Buellen]

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MalcolmSm1th
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Returning to Norrath and Sneak Pull
09-22-04, 05:24 PM
After over a year away from the game I have decided to return with my level 37 Rogue. No doubt there will be massive changes to Norrath and Luclin (and to places where I can't get to yet) and I will in time find my way about.

Now, one of the things that I had tried and never mastered (or even got working just the once!) is the Sneak-Pull.

Is there a good place for me to practise this? I have read a few Guides on this topic and I am still not sure which is the best way to face or the mobs to face? So, where would a good place be for me to go and practise?
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Derrict
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Derrict
#2
09-23-04, 04:12 AM
re: Returning to Norrath and Sneak Pull

You need to find mobs that don't social assist but have large aggro radius (or very small social assist range). Most mobs social assist so using sneak pulling won't have any effect.

Animals generally don't social assist other mob types (ie undead, humanoid, dragon) but you won't find many animal-type mobs at upper levels.
Derrict Thealcholic - Retired Spring '04