Any good guides for GINA? - Page 14

dekova · #**131** 10-19-2019, 02:53 PM

I don't think anyone is going to be able to provide a screenshot, I certainly can't. But you're making it sound like reading a log file and creating a timer is something that we just now have the technology to do. That's simply not true. The only hard part was that EverQuest took over your computer. That's why I needed to use two.

Maybe I could have figured out an overlay if I spent enough time with it, but as an IT guy I had extra computers and it was just easier to do it that way.

kylok · #**132** 10-19-2019, 02:57 PM

Just to clarify out of curiosity - was your parser giving you data in real time?

Baler · #**133** 10-19-2019, 02:58 PM

To the nay sayers. You're also obligated to find proof that, in your words, it wasn't classic.

If you demand proof from us you must also present proof.

Just because you say it wasn't doesn't mean it's true. Two way street.

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People will turn a blind eye to the truth in favor of feelings and emotion.

dekova · #**134** 10-19-2019, 03:04 PM

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Just to clarify out of curiosity - was your parser giving you data in real time?

Yes, it started as a way for me to manage my mezzes and it did that accurately. There were occasional lockups, but I blame that on the shity state of java and swing at the time and not on any kind of log issue.

Edit: thinking back on it, it's probably not fair to blame the occasional issue on java, more my shity skills at the time.

kylok · #**135** 10-19-2019, 03:07 PM

Seems like this all checks out - only difference I can see beyond programming sophistication is running EQ in a window and dragging the parser on top of it. GINA-like programs confirmed classic until evidence is presented to prove otherwise.

Mblake81 · #**136** 10-19-2019, 03:11 PM

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To the nay sayers. You're also obligated to find proof that, in your words, it wasn't classic.

Hard to do, I can't find a screenshot with one running or a picture of a guy running two computers with information being fed to the second to display results. Wasn't able to locate any forum posts.

If you have some positive proof it would be nice to see it to put this to rest.

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Seems like this all checks out - only difference I can see beyond programming sophistication is running EQ in a window and dragging the parser on top of it. GINA-like programs confirmed classic until evidence is presented to prove otherwise.

Hearsay doesn't confirm classic.

Vexenu · #**137** 10-19-2019, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To the nay sayers. You're also obligated to find proof that, in your words, it wasn't classic.

If you demand proof from us you must also present proof.

Just because you say it wasn't doesn't mean it's true. Two way street.

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It's who ever yells the loudest that gets the most attention.
People will turn a blind eye to the truth in favor of feelings and emotion.

People in this thread are making a positive claim, namely that real-time log readers with UI elements were classic. A positive claim needs evidence to support it. Otherwise the negative claim (that such a thing did not exist) is the reasonable conclusion.

There are thousands upon thousands of old screenshots and forum posts that have provided all sorts of data for this project's recreation of the classic EQ experience. Finding evidence of UI elements and real-time log readers should be fairly easy if such things existed, because in the former case they would be clearly visible in screenshots, and in the latter they would inevitably be mentioned in forum discussions.

kylok · #**138** 10-19-2019, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People in this thread are making a positive claim, namely that real-time log readers with UI elements were classic. A positive claim needs evidence to support it. Otherwise the negative claim (that such a thing did not exist) is the reasonable conclusion.

There are thousands upon thousands of old screenshots and forum posts that have provided all sorts of data for this project's recreation of the classic EQ experience. Finding evidence of UI elements and real-time log readers should be fairly easy if such things existed, because in the former case they would be clearly visible in screenshots, and in the latter they would inevitably be mentioned in forum discussions.

Given that EQ was forced full screen back then and real time parsing programs were ran on a second computer (and so few people did this) it's doubtful any screen shots would be found. At the very least we've entered a stale mate on anecdotal evidence. It's entirely plausible that this sort of thing did happen back then, and we have at least one person chiming in that they did in fact do this. It's not conclusive but it's a pretty strong argument given the circumstances.

dekova · #**139** 10-19-2019, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People in this thread are making a positive claim, namely that real-time log readers with UI elements were classic. A positive claim needs evidence to support it. Otherwise the negative claim (that such a thing did not exist) is the reasonable conclusion.

There are thousands upon thousands of old screenshots and forum posts that have provided all sorts of data for this project's recreation of the classic EQ experience. Finding evidence of UI elements and real-time log readers should be fairly easy if such things existed, because in the former case they would be clearly visible in screenshots, and in the latter they would inevitably be mentioned in forum discussions.

The thing I've learned about arguing with people is that anything short of a big flashing you're wrong FedEx delivered package isn't going to change their mind. I don't think I'm going to change yours.

I gave you guys the information I had from my own personal experience back when I was working on a Y2K project, so that was 1999. Take it or leave it.

Mblake81 · #**140** 10-19-2019, 03:21 PM

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Given that EQ was forced full screen back then and real time parsing programs were ran on a second computer (and so few people did this) it's doubtful any screen shots would be found. At the very least we've entered a stale mate on anecdotal evidence. It's entirely plausible that this sort of thing did happen back then, and we have at least one person chiming in that they did in fact do this. It's not conclusive but it's a pretty strong argument given the circumstances.

no, it isn't.

one guy? surely there would have been others needing an advantage so it would have been shared on some message board or something. Some reference to it. These kinds of things get out to the other players just like GINA does now.

The fact that there has been no links, no pictures, no forum posts, no nothing but a few guys making unverifiable claims. Giving the situation, such a claim could be easily fabricated to support their want of a program giving data.

ALSO: no one claimed using it on a second computer until I asked. This gave a way out into a shady area and you all slipped into it. Good job. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]