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Old 11-20-2019, 08:20 PM
Tecmos Deception Tecmos Deception is offline
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Fwiw, my sham is 37 now on green and I've primarily leveled solo by: disease dot, slow, poison dot, melee. Depending on the exact hp of mobs and damage they do to me and resists, I'd add in another poison dot or a nuke, perhaps staying in melee or perhaps rooting to med for several ticks while dots tick.

Any of that has seemed pretty similar to me. Nukes are good vs casters but probably poor vs melee enemies unless it'll hit them down into fleeing range so you can med while dots/pet finish then off. Roots stick pretty well against blues as long as they aren't like -1 (or -2/-3 at higher levels like 20+), and REALLY well with malaise on.

This comes from me using banded by the teens + bloodforged hammer, buffing my AC and STR and regen as able.

Since 34 I still mix like 50/50 tanking with melee vs root and medding while pet tanks. Melee can seem unimpressive when you whiff 6 swings in a row at 5 second delay, but I also can hit for nearly 40 now, and it's nice to take some hits sometimes so my pet doesn't have to tank something from 100-0.

Lower blues will barely scratch you most of the time in melee, so it's close whether your unimpressive melee damage is more efficient than roots+medding for more spell damage. Maybe the next session I have ill try playing with 0 melee to see how it works though, and ill add a post to the thread then.


Based on a thread I made earlier and chats with players ingame (admittedly I don't talk to a lot of different people ingame), my shaman soloing is not faster than grouping overall, though it's equal to or better than a bad group.

I solo mainly because it's always at my pace, which I prioritize over faster exp. Afk when I want, log in and out as I want, fighting in locations that are quiet so there's no waiting lists or other people taking your mobs. I always have friends list and/or guild to chat with if I want to even without a group.
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Old 11-21-2019, 10:58 AM
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Lower blues will barely scratch you most of the time in melee, so it's close whether your unimpressive melee damage is more efficient than roots+medding for more spell damage. Maybe the next session I have ill try playing with 0 melee to see how it works though, and ill add a post to the thread then.
When I played my shaman back in the day I stopped melee altogether in my teens. I just couldn't stand listening to that swish; it was psychologically damaging. Until I got my pet and soloing was fun again I would just rent a pair of fists by having every near-level monk on the friends list and I would just /follow them from mob to mob as their personal buffer.
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Old 11-21-2019, 11:16 AM
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When I played my shaman back in the day I stopped melee altogether in my teens. I just couldn't stand listening to that swish; it was psychologically damaging. Until I got my pet and soloing was fun again I would just rent a pair of fists by having every near-level monk on the friends list and I would just /follow them from mob to mob as their personal buffer.
At lower levels, I spent a fair amount of time in melee because it was easy to throw a drowsy for cheap-but-minimal slowing, disease dot, poison dot, then melee for at least a while. Maybe I do so until poison needs refresh, then root, back off, med for the rest of the kill. Maybe I get lucky with melee and kill it without getting beat up or needing more mana spent. Maybe it is crushing my troll ass and I have to root and use spells for the whole fight. I saw all of it.

Getting pet at 34 is far from a "well no point in meleeing now!" moment, imo. Your pet is mana-free DPS, right? Well, kinda. If he is tanking, he often is going to get killed unless you're using your highest-level slow. And that slow is expensive. Plus you need to be rooting to keep aggro on him. Or you'll be pulling him off and relying on dot recasts to finish the mob off, and those recasts will quite likely break roots needing recasts and maybe getting you swatted and then getting your pet on the target again... etc. The wolfie does regen fast though, so if he doesn't die, he'll probably be full life by the time you're ready for another mob.

But compare that to casting maybe walking sleep just for some slow but at much lower mana cost, your two dots, and meleeing while your pet attacks from behind (therefore doing somewhat more damage than it would when attacking a mob it is tanking). You're not medding, you're losing hp to melee damage that can't be canni'd, but you're getting more damage from your pet and damage from your melee and you're not using as much mana on slow or roots. You still can root once at 60 or 50% if you want and back off to med until the mob is down low enough when root wears off that it starts running and your pet isn't horribly wounded. Or maybe you're having a good fight as sometimes happens and you don't need a second poison dot, you barely get scratched, at the mob is dead.

They're a wash to me still at 37 fighting level 30s, ime. Maybe it'll change at 39 when I've got VOTS to use instead of EB.
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Old 11-21-2019, 08:53 PM
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I just couldn't stand listening to that swish
Agreed! I can't stand listening to Swish either!
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