Good fix Nilbog, but how about making this playable now?

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To clarify that asterisk, yes: dragons 100% did get pulled to zone during Velious. No one contests that ...

numerous screenshots and oldschool forum captures to prove it, also if anyone is curious send PM to Hyjal or Loramin for the wiki links.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

numerous screenshots and oldschool forum captures to prove it, also if anyone is curious send PM to Hyjal or Loramin for the wiki links.

We could use a "controversially classic" page, with links to evidence one way or another ... anyone want to make one? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We could use a "controversially classic" page, with links to evidence one way or another ... anyone want to make one? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, I thought you had it already with it all compiled. My bads

[loramin]

There's https://wiki.project1999.com/Non-Classic_Compendium but nothing for "gray" stuff .

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's https://wiki.project1999.com/Non-Classic_Compendium but nothing for "gray" stuff .

This is very unorganized, Frosty

[loramin]

Originally Posted by The Wiki

This is a wiki for a reason. Anyone can contribute. If you see something that is inaccurate or can be improved, don't ask that it be fixed--just improve it.

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[Detoxx]

Verant rooted dragons due to being able to abuse ledges and certain areas to hide from aoes and still attack. Had nothing to do with pulling to zone in. At all.

[Hyjalx]

Honestly, nobody gave 2 shits that dragons were going to zone in/zone out on live. It was only the first 5-6 dragons due to PC power and proximity. Everything beyond Aary should stay in north anyway.

The only thing the staff cared about in ToV was if we were literally sitting in each others camps or deliberately training each other (alas, the aary pit fiascos between FU and RoV)

And honestly *pulling* to zone in is not an exploit Loramin. My definition of an exploit is like... trying to get Vox stuck in the door in king room so she doesn't AOE, or what Conquest did against to be the first guild to wake the sleeper.


We have been pulling mobs, XP, and named alike, to zone in's and zone out's that are in close proximity in every zone in this game since the beginning. And it's often that folks will use zone in's and zone out's when they XP, or pull for their Seb key or VP key. So if shit hits the fan, its not an hours long CR.

This is no different man. Innoruuk came to zone in during classic/kunark era often. And so does Emperor Crush. Pick a zone. Likely a named or something is often pulled with the zone in safety net being used.

The problem with ToV is that we allow Vulak and the deeper mobs to come to zone in.
PC power was the main reason why this wasn't happening back in the day, and we should have been simulating it from the start. They should still be unrooted regardless.

Everything beyond Aary needs to just die in north.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Verant rooted dragons due to being able to abuse ledges and certain areas to hide from aoes and still attack. Had nothing to do with pulling to zone in. At all.

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, nobody gave 2 shits that dragons were going to zone in/zone out on live. It was only the first 5-6 dragons due to PC power and proximity. Everything beyond Aary should stay in north anyway.

You're both welcome to continue making this the hill you die on ... or you could both accept that the staff is unlikely to change their mind, and devote your energies to improving the raid scene in other ways.

It seems pretty clear those are your options at this point.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're both welcome to continue making this the hill you die on ... or you could both accept that the staff is unlikely to change their mind, and devote your energies to improving the raid scene in other ways.

It seems pretty clear those are your options at this point.

You're asking a lot. I agree though. And you should definitely ask.