most underpowered class in game?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, playing at 60 doesn't really change anything in terms of mage vs rogue overall power. Just because there are more of them at 60 doesn't make them an overall more powerful class, it just caters to the raid centric people whereas non raiders probably moved onto other projects. A mage will still win out due to their superior solo, duo/trio capabilities, and pretty similar group effectiveness, all of which can still be done at 60.

You yourself admitted that Rogues out DPS Mages at 60, which is the primary role a Mage would be filling at 60. The reason why there are more level 60 Rogues is because of how little Mages can do at 60 realistically speaking. There are much better solo artist classes, and Rogues are better DPS classes in groups. That is the problem with Mages, they kinda get screwed in both scenarios. You level up your Mage and then run out of things to do.

If you only have time to level one character, and you want a good solo character, Mage is not the best choice, because their options for solo camps get more limited as they level due to lack of CC and utility.

If you only have time to level one character, and you want a good grouping character, Mage is not the best choice either, because Monk/Rogue will out DPS them, and DPS is the role they generally fill.

If you only have time to level one character, and you want a good raiding character, both are good, they just have different roles.

So I just don't see a reason to realistically level a Mage unless you simply like the class or want a CoTH bot. There is nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make them good.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You yourself admitted that Rogues out DPS Mages at 60, which is the primary role a Mage would be filling at 60. The reason why there are more level 60 Rogues is because of how little Mages can do at 60 realistically speaking. There are much better solo artist classes, and Rogues are better DPS classes in groups. That is the problem with Mages, they kinda get screwed in both scenarios. You level up your Mage and then run out of things to do.

If you only have time to level one character, and you want a good solo character, Mage is not the best choice, because their options for solo camps get more limited as they level due to lack of CC and utility.

If you only have time to level one character, and you want a good grouping character, Mage is not the best choice either, because Monk/Rogue will out DPS them, and DPS is the role they generally fill.

If you only have time to level one character, and you want a good raiding character, both are good, they just have different roles.

So I just don't see a reason to realistically level a Mage unless you simply like the class or want a CoTH bot. There is nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make them good.

I'm not denying there aren't better solo classes, nor am I denying that rogues are better dps classes. But the problem here is we are talking about one class overall in this discussion, and now you're bringing multiple classes and multiple scenarios into the picture. That is all irrelevant. All you've done here is confirmed why we like to roll multiple alts, lol.

Mages overall have a pretty respectable rating due to the number of different areas they can contribute to. I'm not claiming they are the most powerful class, but they certainly aren't the most underpowered one, as most people in this thread have agreed to besides you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Rogues are pretty much just one trick ponies, while this makes them amazing raiders, they still are extremely underpowered when looking at the full scope.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you only have time to level one character, and you want a good grouping character, Mage is not the best choice either, because Monk/Rogue will out DPS them, and DPS is the role they generally fill.

My experience with xp groups is that they look to fill roles and take a class that is sufficient for it, e.g. "docks seeks <Healer|Tank|DPS|CC|Puller>," and that mages are perfectly welcome in the DPS role.

I post the above because you have kind of gone full circle from roughly arguing that groups not gear checking implies they don't consider dps to be a significant role to arguing that because rogues outdamage mages, mages are a significantly worse grouping class. In my experience neither extreme is true: xp groups seek dps, but they're not so tight about it that they reject mages while waiting for rogues.