Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. People are just sentimental to this game because they are willing to play it 20 years later. If you like a Mage, you will defend it because you have an emotional attachment to the class. It doesn't make the class any better than it is on P99.

I have zero sentiment for the mage class in particular. I don't have a raging hardon for shamans either though. I'm able to be objective in regards to what classes excel at what roles. If I have any bias it's probably against druid. I've always felt druid is a shit tier class. Only thing its halfway decent at is PLing and porting. At least I can admit my biases tho [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have zero sentiment for the mage class in particular. I don't have a raging hardon for shamans either though. I'm able to be objective in regards to what classes excel at what roles. If I have any bias it's probably against druid. I've always felt druid is a shit tier class. Only thing its halfway decent at is PLing and porting. At least I can admit my biases tho [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are assuming I have a bias. I don't have any more bias than you to be honest. I am just looking at the game objectively based on the math and my years of play experience. I know it is an easy argument to try and assign bias to me, but I am literally showing mathematical truths based on real data.

Mages are good in lower level chain pulling groups for sure. But sadly they just peter out at level 60. A rogue with Epic and a decent offhand will out DPS a Mages top DPS with all of the clickies and probably Epic pet too. The last rogue I parsed in Seb was doing 133 DPS, and that isn't including the assassin procs which instant-kill enemies.

[Vexenu]

This needs to be settled with an actual demonstration where DSM tries to keep up with Mage DPS for a couple hours straight. It will quickly become apparent that he is wildly overestimating his ability to sustain respectable DPS for more than a few minutes at a time, despite what his "math" says.

Example of DSM math:

DSM: Did you know that Usain Bolt can run 100 meters in approximately ten seconds?
Non-autist: Cool.
DSM: By my calculations that means Usain Bolt can run from New York to Los Angeles in just 5.2 days.
Non-autist: No man, that's not how that works.
DSM: Clearly you just don't understand math.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This needs to be settled with an actual demonstration where DSM tries to keep up with Mage DPS for a couple hours straight. It will quickly become apparent that he is wildly overestimating his ability to sustain respectable DPS for more than a few minutes at a time, despite what his "math" says.

Example of DSM math:

DSM: Did you know that Usain Bolt can run 100 meters in approximately ten seconds?
Non-autist: Cool.
DSM: By my calculations that means Usain Bolt can run from New York to Los Angeles in just 5.2 days.
Non-autist: No man, that's not how that works.
DSM: Clearly you just don't understand math.

Lol the difference there is there are more variables to that equation[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Your Everquest character never tires, they always have the exact same performance. And the player behind the keyboard isn't running a marathon, so they aren't expending energy that fast either.

This is a terrible straw man.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This needs to be settled with an actual demonstration where DSM tries to keep up with Mage DPS for a couple hours straight. It will quickly become apparent that he is wildly overestimating his ability to sustain respectable DPS for more than a few minutes at a time, despite what his "math" says.

Example of DSM math:

DSM: Did you know that Usain Bolt can run 100 meters in approximately ten seconds?
Non-autist: Cool.
DSM: By my calculations that means Usain Bolt can run from New York to Los Angeles in just 5.2 days.
Non-autist: No man, that's not how that works.
DSM: Clearly you just don't understand math.

I lol'd

Super accurate

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol the difference there is there are more variables to that equation[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Your Everquest character never tires, they always have the exact same performance. And the player behind the keyboard isn't running a marathon, so they aren't expending energy that fast either.

This is a terrible straw man.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol the difference there is there are more variables to that equation[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Your Everquest character never tires, they always have the exact same performance. And the player behind the keyboard isn't running a marathon, so they aren't expending energy that fast either.

This is a terrible straw man.

People experience fatigue when gaming and get lazier during extended sessions. It's not a straw man lol. Everyone I know experiences this. Nobody plays 100% optimally every second for 12 hours at a camp like you imply in your amazing math.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People experience fatigue when gaming and get lazier during extended sessions. It's not a straw man lol. Everyone I know experiences this. Nobody plays 100% optimally every second for 12 hours at a camp like you imply in your amazing math.

Lol you think pressing buttons on a keyboard is expending the same energy as a marathon[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry you can't click buttons for a few hours.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol you think pressing buttons on a keyboard is expending the same energy as a marathon[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry you can't click buttons for a few hours.

It's mental not physical you moron

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's mental not physical you moron

Lol you think clicking buttons for a few hours costs more mental energy than running a marathon.

Sorry you can't play games for more than an hour.

If you're that bad at Everquest, your Mage DPS is going to suck too. If people still let you into their groups, they are fine with you doing bad DPS. It's really that simple. You can't have it both ways. You can't claim a group is looking to maximize DPS (and therefore are looking for a Mage) while simultaneously allowing you to slack off and be lazy at your DPS job.