Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Karanis]

Your 24 v 16 dps up against 28 v 27 dps isn't good or reliable data.

[Karanis]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your 24 v 16 dps up against 28 v 27 dps isn't good or reliable data.

It's much more reliable than the zero data you have provided[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] There is zero reason to believe you over actual data.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wish I had a 24 warrior to prove you wrong, but I will say I've recently leveled a warrior up to the 30-40 range, and even in the 20-40 range, level matters a ton when you're talking toe-to-toe melee with a mob, be it a warrior or a charmed pet. If you think a 24 warrior fighting a 22 mob vs a 16 mob is going to lose even remotely as much health or do the same dps, you're absolutely smoking crack. And similarly if you fight a 28 pet against a 28 mob, it's going to take serious damage and not put out nearly the dps it would if it were fighting a level 20 mob.

This is very correct. My solo warrior guide revolves around optimizing your leveling around hunting in areas with mobs who are always at the lowest end of your blue-con range.

The difference between fighting a mob 2 levels below you and a mob 5 levels below you at 24 is very noticeable. It might not be when you're jacked out in gear, but its huge. Levels are by far the most noticeable difference maker when warrior soloing.

Camping the Chasm Minotaur in Gorge is a great example, the difference in kill speed / damage taken at level 23/24 is very different than when you're 25/26 now that its at the bottom of your con range. Not to mention when you're 23 or so, the difference between the minotaur being level 19 or 20 when it spawns massively changes how that fight goes.

[PlsNoBan]

For someone so obsessed with data and math he's pretty terrible at it

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For someone so obsessed with data and math he's pretty terrible at it

[DeathsSilkyMist]

When you can't win with facts and logic, go to insults[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Troxx]

The actual point is that from the second enchanters get charm it is powerful and can be used/abused regularly to result in far more effective solo capability than a warrior can expect. Done properly there is basically no down time and will result in significantly more kills over time than the best of twinked out warriors.

My warrior had 34% haste, fungi and comparable weapons. Could I solo like a buzz saw for the early levels? Absolutely but there was still down time. At best I might have been able to break even with a charm pet fighting monsters of comparable level. Fighting mobs close to the level of the charm pet? No way.

This side tangent is absolutely idiotic.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

[Wed Aug 31 07:38:53 2022] Auto attack on.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 62 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 52 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:57 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 73 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:59 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 42 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:00 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:04 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:04 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:07 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:08 2022] You kick a froglok vis shaman for 8 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:10 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 43 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:13 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:13 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:16 2022] a froglok vis shaman begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:17 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 43 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:19 2022] a froglok vis shaman regains concentration and continues casting.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:19 2022] A froglok vis shaman feels much better.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:20 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:20 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 48 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 62 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You have slain a froglok vis shaman!
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] Your faction standing with FrogloksofGuk got worse.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You gain experience!!

772 over 29 seconds = 26.6 DPS

https://wiki.project1999.com/A_froglok_vis_shaman , A level 24 mob good enough for you?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The actual point is that from the second enchanters get charm it is powerful and can be used/abused regularly to result in far more effective solo capability than a warrior can expect. Done properly there is basically no down time and will result in significantly more kills over time than the best of twinked out warriors.

My warrior had 34% haste, fungi and comparable weapons. Could I solo like a buzz saw for the early levels? Absolutely but there was still down time. At best I might have been able to break even with a charm pet fighting monsters of comparable level. Fighting mobs close to the level of the charm pet? No way.

This side tangent is absolutely idiotic.

Nobody argued that point that Enchanter charm gets more powerful hehe. I was simply countering the point that classes like Shamans are dead weight in lower levels. This is true, Shamans suck from levels 1-30, but the point is classes like Enchanters and Clerics really aren't much better. They also need about 30 levels to really get going. So it isn't a good argument to say "don't take a Shaman, because they are dead weight at low levels". That is true for other classes too, and you would want to take them since they scale great later on.

Again, Enchanters at low levels have a lot of downtime too. You are vastly underestimating low meditate values, resists, fizzles, interrupts, etc. at low levels. I am leveling an Enchanter, I know hehe.

My Warrior just has SCHW, Wurmslayer, and Fist of Zek.