sk starting points

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue with your logic here is you are completely missing how statistics work.

statistics can prove anything - I think you are so focused on statistics you are overlooking practical reality.

Nobody in this thread has denied that you can cap one stat over another with certain combinations of gear. I do not deny it either.

The only thing that matters is the statistical probability of capping a stat. This is because most players acquire gear organically. You don't know what gear you are going to end up with when you first start your character. Just because a probability is low, it doesn't mean you can't have it occur. INT is the hardest stat to cap statistically speaking using relevant SK gear, and all the data is available on the wiki to show this is the case.

Again, disagreed. What matters is how characters end up geared, not statistics. Statistics may guide creation and gearing decisions but if those decisions don’t meet their objectives then the statistics must have overlooked some assumptions.

Saying "it can happen" is like telling someone they will win the lottery. It is possible, but statistically unlikely. This is why you do not advise someone to spend there whole life savings on lottery tickets.

Rip’s Magelo is very top end. Yours is decent. Yet both have issues capping core tank stats with/without buffs.

As for buffs, you can easily show that you cannot get +235 INT, which means it is also harder to cap in that scenario.

You are incorrect about your assessment of my SK's stats. My SK has a lot more STR because tank gear tends to have STR on it. Trolls also have higher starting STR. My Magelo supports my position that relevant SK gear is more likely to have STR on it, instead of INT. I also put my starting stats into INT.

I thought you said having high str gave the ability to focus on +int gear though? Maybe you need to follow your own advice more aggressively if you really value int over str/sta?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

statistics can prove anything - I think you are so focused on statistics you are overlooking practical reality.

Again, disagreed. What matters is how characters end up geared, not statistics. Statistics may guide creation and gearing decisions but if those decisions don’t meet their objectives then the statistics must have overlooked some assumptions.

Rip’s Magelo is very top end. Yours is decent. Yet both have issues capping core tank stats with/without buffs.

I thought you said having high str gave the ability to focus on +int gear though? Maybe you need to follow your own advice more aggressively if you really value int over str/sta?

You completely misread my post in it's entirety. You need to reread it, as you missed every single point. I would just be retyping the same thing.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM values levelling as an ordeal to go through that unlocks end game. Others view the end game just being a postgame/'winners room' for people that exhausted/completed the real game content (levelling up).

IMO this is why he values levelling stats much lower than endgame bis stats.

I am simply looking at the data: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=300 .

I have leveled a Monk from 10-52 recently with 140 or less STR for the entire leveling process. I can tell you that having 140 STR was not a problem. 160 STR wouldn't have helped me.

Anybody claiming STR will give a significant boost to DPS is literally pulling this opinion out of thin air, and should not be listened to until they can provide evidence.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Confirmed mad treble post!

I am not mad at all. I am simply pointing out that people continue to post insults and baseless opinions. It is honestly sad that people care so much about trying to be right, that they are willing to mislead new players.