Is this ninja looting or at least against the rules?

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by enjchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean I've had ppl in pom ninja loot my cards while I swap toons. Luckily they were the only other person in zone so it was obvious who took it.

In my situation, how's that fair to me that someone can just walk up to my mobs corpse while I'm swapping, see no one around, take my item, then gate out leaving me with nothing.

My bad didn't realize you were the noob that got your stuff looted in pom, now I understand why you took issue with my post about how to follow the rules.

Maybe we need a new thread called how to loot a corpse. I'm sorry but if its sitting there for 5 minutes there is nothing ninja about it, its just called looting at that point.

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by enjchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean I've had ppl in pom ninja loot my cards while I swap toons. Luckily they were the only other person in zone so it was obvious who took it.

In my situation, how's that fair to me that someone can just walk up to my mobs corpse while I'm swapping, see no one around, take my item, then gate out leaving me with nothing.

Well if you read the second post of this thread then you will see then I referenced the actual rules and would label what happened to you as ninja looting according to p99 ruleset. We agree there.

All I was suggesting is that your 'stick' or punishment to ban who does it seems a bit harsh. Just saying give them a ban willy nilly. I'm fairly certain that the CSRs typically use a suspension style punishment for this kind of thing rather than a full ban for this all though some extreme cases might require full ban.

The situation I suggested you put yourself in was with a relatively newb making a mistake on a raid say of ninja looting an item they shouldn't have for the first time while the person who was supposed to get item is camping out and changing to alt. That seems like a learning experience the guild to teach that person. Humans are going to human. And new people sometimes will learn the hard way. Less newbs these days on p99 so this doesn't happen that much anymore.

In your situation in PoM that seems almost pre-meditated because if there was only you and the other guy in the zone. Obviously malicious intent there. And you'd be absolutely correct then in reporting etc. So all I'm saying is each situation is a little different.

This whole thread is everyone whose played for while knowing the rules and casting different interpretations. End of the day CSR decides and most p99ers know the boundaries for the most part on this one.

[magnetaress]

Get friends get gud. To pander to anything otherwise is to breed in weakness and losers with no lifestyle.

[Questors]

Just think of all the crude steins that would have rotted if the hundreds of you had not just taken one off that dead Ogre Bouncer. A public service right? No wasting of usable loot, right?

Well gee, there's no harm in looting that lore stein. Right? But other corpses? Nay! That's a bridge too far! So how many of you got suspended or banned for that stein?

Abandoned AC corpse in South Ro?! Score! But wait! No. That's criminal! You dirty ninja loot whore!

In for a penny, in for a pound.

In the end, it's what one wants to justify in the moment. Easy win: Just don't loot a corpse that you didn't kill. We know this is not a thing though. People do it all the time.

[fortior]

You can just ask to loot stuff. Chances are whoever you're asking will even help you out more if you're looking to kick start your newbie career in p99. I do that when possible, at least. You can also just loot inconsequential stuff like fine steel if it's rotting, nobody will petition you or ban you for that shit, you may at most get a warning if it's even noticed.

However, if you loot a rare quest item, or something which you definitely know is important/valuable/rare (even if you pretend you don't, like OP,) then you will get smacked for it. It's that simple.

[fortior]

I can't restate this enough. If you are a new player and you just do something that's not allowed but clearly in good faith, you will not get banned. You will not even be punished. You might even make friends, just tell people you're new and they will understand.

You get banned by flagrantly defying clearly stated rules (FYI: staff assumes you are aware of the main server rules) and being combative when called out. Every single person who has ever complained about being unjustly banned on P99 was a douche or completely deserve it. Prove me wrong (you can't). P99 staff is laissez-faire to a fault. They don't moderate enough. If you get banned by them then you were bad enough to make the most hands-off moderation staff wake up and do something instead of slacking.

[WizardEQ]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't restate this enough. If you are a new player and you just do something that's not allowed but clearly in good faith, you will not get banned. You will not even be punished. You might even make friends, just tell people you're new and they will understand.

You get banned by flagrantly defying clearly stated rules (FYI: staff assumes you are aware of the main server rules) and being combative when called out. Every single person who has ever complained about being unjustly banned on P99 was a douche or completely deserve it. Prove me wrong (you can't). P99 staff is laissez-faire to a fault. They don't moderate enough. If you get banned by them then you were bad enough to make the most hands-off moderation staff wake up and do something instead of slacking.

Excellent points! Anyone who was smacked with a permanent full ban is a douche and should never be able to play on P99 again. This is different from a 1-2 week ban, which does happen quite frequently.

[Snaggles]

The PnP and tenants of p99 are in plain language and simple to understand. You typically only get in trouble after the person who killed something petitions you. If it’s your other char, someone who sold you loot, or a buddy…slim chance of it happening.

Maybe read the tiny instruction card first before playing the game? Or just asking politely first.

[cd288]

If this is a real scenario and the looter got banned that is completely 100% absurd. Someone would've never been banned for that back on live during the classic era.

If you log out to log over to another char and the loot lockout expires, that's a free for all corpse. That's the whole POINT of the corpse lock timer in the first place...to give the person who killed it a period of time to loot it otherwise it's free to be looted.

In a way, this is also against the spirit of EQ which is collaboration between players. If you want to guarantee looting on a certain char you should have to find someone else to come help you kill it while you play that char.

[fortior]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you log out to log over to another char and the loot lockout expires, that's a free for all corpse. That's the whole POINT of the corpse lock timer in the first place...to give the person who killed it a period of time to loot it otherwise it's free to be looted.

Go to ToV and loot something off a corpse that someone is running their alt to, see how that goes for you