Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My credibility is just fine thanks. Reality is not just how you specifically define it.

Attacking you? Sure, finally something we can agree on. I’ve got hundreds of posts belittling you … within the context of your absurd behavior while discussing whatever topic is at hand. If you don’t want to be called an idiot … maybe try being less idiot?

This is hilarious.

Hundreds of troll posts show otherwise. Your credibility is trashed. Its easy to see when you dodge questions you can't answer and resort to insults instread.

If you actually want to win an argument and start to regain your credibility, try providing evidence and logic, instead of calling people idiots and assuming that is enough. And you wonder why your credibility is trashed.

We can start here:

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you read from the start you will see that I was summoned here BY NAME because people know I parse a ton and have a level 60 mage.

You claim to parse a lot, but have yet to provide any mage logs after two years. You instead spent hundreds of posts trolling to avoid providing logs. We had to get some from Allishia.

[Toxigen]

oh yeah boys 1k page party inc

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You claim to parse a lot, but have yet to provide any mage logs after two years. You instead spent hundreds of posts trolling to avoid providing logs. We had to get some from Allishia.

The fuck are you talking about? I do parse a lot and this is the page in the thread where I started posting the first of said parses iirc

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...406923&page=19

You can find more on page 25 and beyond that I’ll let you scroll through the rest of this thread on your own.

Are you smoking crack, heorin or both? Unemployed or on disability as well I’m assuming.

Oh well - back to work. I’ll check in on you mangs in a few hours

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fuck are you talking about? I do parse a lot and this is the page in the thread where I started posting the first of said parses iirc

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...406923&page=19

Are you smoking crack, heorin or both?

Clearly you are the one smoking. I said logs, not parses. Parses come from logs. If you have the parses, you have the logs too, and can post them on request. Two years and no logs.

You posted hundreds of troll posts instead to dodge having to post the logs. Allishia had to do it for you.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Beggars can’t be choosers. Parses are directly reflective of logs. Take off your tinfoil conspiracy theory hat.

And no, I’m not going to start video taping my gaming sessions either.

And you wonder why your credibility is trashed. When people ask for evidence that you can easily provide, you dodge by saying "beggars can't be choosers", and "everybody is a conspiracy theorist" for pointing out you dodged providing the logs.

[7thGate]

I kind of agree actually that Malo is the correct response to a normal, single mob charm break in many situations. The assumption should be that the enchanter can recover correctly themselves, and the primary goal should be getting a malo refresh in before they recharm it in order to minimize charm breaks. If the enchanter hasn't landed stun by the time malo finishes, you probably need to get in melee and flash of light it. If they're going to die before you can land malo + flash of light (which I believe DSM has correctly noted should not be the case if you're using Rune and Bedlam), you need to see he's dying super fast and duck Malo to flash of light immediately.

This is less safe than having a cleric but also higher DPS, which is basically the tradeoff with a shaman. Shaman does more damage than a cleric in a few ways, but is somewhat less safe. Shaman DPS boosts over a cleric mostly come from turning the mob to increase charm pet damage due to attacking from behind, lower number of charm beaks from malo, then also some DoT and the pet. All of that combined should add up to something like a 50% dps boost over a charm pet alone.

Specifically at 60, for handling a charm break with active target, Shaman will have aggro on the secondary since they're torp tanking. That shouldn't really go much differently than the random charm break while unengaged.

Handling a bad pull is harder, but you probably do the best by sitting down in the path of the train, which I believe should immedaitely aggro the stuff that socialed off the failed pacify (I assume if the enchanter is pulling, this is why you got multiples) and might also get the mob you failed the pacify on, though I'm less sure about that.

I haven't done the sit intercept on a shaman, but I've done it to block a train on Jayya using Nimble to intercept a huge train of stuff to give people 12 seconds to respond to it. Shaman has to actually live through tanking whatever the bad pull is and you might have problems if you don't stand back up before the mobs hit you, but if you do it right, are decently AC geared and have Torp active pre-pull it should give the enchatner time to try for AOE stuns or mezzes I think.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In PoP the best 4 casters / /priest crew was 3 mages + 1 cleric.... or just 4 mages

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx has a 60 mage and has run many parses, I am betting he can provide this data as well.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...0&postcount=19


Again … yeah I was asked to provide input and data - which I did

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clearly you are the one smoking. I said logs, not parses. Parses come from logs. If you have the parses, you have the logs too, and can post them on request. Two years and no logs.

You posted hundreds of troll posts instead to dodge having to post the logs. Allishia had to do it for you.

Beggars can’t be choosers. Parses are directly reflective of logs. Take off your tinfoil conspiracy theory hat.

And no, I’m not going to start video taping my gaming sessions either.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I kind of agree actually that Malo is the correct response to a normal, single mob charm break in many situations. The assumption should be that the enchanter can recover correctly themselves, and the primary goal should be getting a malo refresh in before they recharm it in order to minimize charm breaks. If the enchanter hasn't landed stun by the time malo finishes, you probably need to get in melee and flash of light it. If they're going to die before you can land malo + flash of light (which I believe DSM has correctly noted should not be the case if you're using Rune and Bedlam), you need to see he's dying super fast and duck Malo to flash of light immediately.

This is less safe than having a cleric but also higher DPS, which is basically the tradeoff with a shaman. Shaman does more damage than a cleric in a few ways, but is somewhat less safe. Shaman DPS boosts over a cleric mostly come from turning the mob to increase charm pet damage due to attacking from behind, lower number of charm beaks from malo, then also some DoT and the pet. All of that combined should add up to something like a 50% dps boost over a charm pet alone.

Specifically at 60, for handling a charm break with active target, Shaman will have aggro on the secondary since they're torp tanking. That shouldn't really go much differently than the random charm break while unengaged.

Handling a bad pull is harder, but you probably do the best by sitting down in the path of the train, which I believe should immedaitely aggro the stuff that socialed off the failed pacify (I assume if the enchanter is pulling, this is why you got multiples) and might also get the mob you failed the pacify on, though I'm less sure about that.

I haven't done the sit intercept on a shaman, but I've done it to block a train on Jayya using Nimble to intercept a huge train of stuff to give people 12 seconds to respond to it. Shaman has to actually live through tanking whatever the bad pull is and you might have problems if you don't stand back up before the mobs hit you, but if you do it right, are decently AC geared and have Torp active pre-pull it should give the enchatner time to try for AOE stuns or mezzes I think.

Agreed. I appreciate your objective assessment of the situation.

[7thGate]

I will note that sub 60, I suspect this doesn't work as well. With no torpor I think you're probably going to get downtime from trying to tank, heal, canni and slow that will probably offset any additional DPS you might be bringing. If you're not tanking it becomes harder to manage a normal charm break since you don't have aggro on one of them.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will note that sub 60, I suspect this doesn't work as well. With no torpor I think you're probably going to get downtime from trying to tank, heal, canni and slow that will probably offset any additional DPS you might be bringing. If you're not tanking it becomes harder to manage a normal charm break since you don't have aggro on one of them.

Yeah sub 60 a Shaman is less effective. But I am not too worried about that, as a group of four casters with an Enchanter is going to be leveling fast anyway. If the group plans on leveling to 60, the focus should be the level 60 composition. It's not difficult to level in P99, especially with a group like this.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am quite interested in seeing how Bcbrown will reconcile these three quotes:

You called him [Troxx] a troll. All he [Troxx] did was disagree with you. Sorry you can't see that.

For someone who frequently accuses others of misreading, it is somewhat ironic how often you misread others. I was clearly referring to Jimjam there.

"You called Jimjam a troll, and all Jimjam did was disagree with you. Sorry you can't see that."

Sorry you can't see that.

Longer response incoming! It's pretty stupid and funny but also quite serious. Just need to give it a proofread so I don't have to edit my post a dozen times.