Discussion: Play Nice (Training, Bind Camping)

[Lazortag]

hey Rogaine, I already commented on pretty much everything you stickied (in what I think was a very organized post) so rather than repost it I'll just give you the link:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=258

I didn't comment on bind camping or exp loss on deaths but I basically I think neither should be allowed.

Training

"Training shouldn't be allowed - it just makes everyone miserable. I think we can all assume that if training is not allowed, there will be less of it. In the cases where people do try to train, either (a) fraps them (it seems every red player has fraps anyway) or (b) root them. It's not that hard; stop acting like the GM's will have to watch every raid 24/7."

[Naikon]

allow bind camping

easy enough to log off or log on another toon until its safe. part of pvp is being griefed

No intentional training should be allowed

Played with and without training, healthiest servers have always had rules against it.

[Jerin]

Training is gonna happen regardless. Best to focus on something you can control.
Unless you can find the staff that wants do deal with it.

No bind camping should be enforced somehow.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Naikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

allow bind camping

easy enough to log off or log on another toon until its safe. part of pvp is being griefed

No intentional training should be allowed

Played with and without training, healthiest servers have always had rules against it.

You're okay with bind camping, but not training?

These are the mongoloids whose opinions you need not incorporate into your decision making process.

Terrible.

[Cwall]

People will be more apt to bind camp if there is some sort of leaderboard. I think bind camping and training should be allowed though. Neither of which are real PvP, but reputation should factor into this.

[pasi]

Bind Camping is fine.

Training: there's a 16 page thread on this from when we first got our PvP section. http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=33605

Really, what you rule on training won't matter in the end. Every high-end PvP engagement is going to end up in trains with the victor being whoever can camp a cleric and rez quicker. Neither fraps nor having a GM present at every battle can pinpoint who trained what.

I remember when PoHate was released on VZTZ 2.0. Even with Searyx filming the fucking event and other GMs present, untraceable trains were part of every battle. What is accidental and what is intentional. Players suiciding into mobs rather than be YT'd and not knowing if other players are too close.

It leads to GM favoritism calls when one person gets banned/suspended for training and another person does not. It will take up most of the petition queue.

With that said, I'm not sure how the alternative of having no rules on training would work out.

If anything, I'd like hard-coded rules before legal training.

[gprater]

Originally Posted by Naikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

allow bind camping

easy enough to log off or log on another toon until its safe. part of pvp is being griefed

Yea it's awful part, the immature part, idiotic part....i could go on. The way i see it PVP is misnamed. It should TVT(toon vs toon or something similar) You and I are players.If players wanted to fight we could meet in the parking lot of burger king then go home and play a computer game. The point is: If you grief a person enough the player gets discouraged, quits, etc...its not fun. When I engage in PVP in an MMO, im not out to attack the person at the keyboard controlling that toon. I have no desire to ruin someones playtime. For some of us that a scant hour or two a day. I say no to bind camping. I know in one of the pvp games I played(might have been EQ2 Nagafen server)..killing the same player more than once in a time limit(30 min maybe) yielded no rewards to the killer or major pnealties to the victim)

Now if you are near the bind point and the person gets mad and attacks you to retaliate then sure defend yourself...otherwise let him go..kill him again when hes buffed and ready.

2cents