Red99 Enchanters: Let them CHARM players IMO - Page 3

dusk883 · #21 08-25-2011, 02:16 PM

Here's what I remember even when Charm was enabled, especially if not the initiator of pvp:

You are engulfed in darkness.

SK running at your ass.

"oh shit! time to charm this bastard!"
"I will mez, tash and charm his ass into the deep end of the pool baby!"

WHACK You've been hit for 244 damage.
WHACK You've been hit for 244 damage.

Cast mez
Your spell has been interupted.

WHACK You've been hit for 324 damage.
WHACK You've been hit for 120 damage.

cast mez
Castersmash resists your mez.

WHACK You've been hit for 324 damage.
WHACK You've been hit for 120 damage.

LOADING... please wait.

Not that it happened all the time ..but was often the story. So sometimes when the reflex to say "Charm is OP!" might not be the case. We folded like lawn chairs when anyone resisted anything we did. Sure, there were some badass enchanters out there, I just never ran into any.

Charm was really only highly effective as the initiator of pvp. When attacked, my enchanter was likely toast by any melee class. yes... I was a shitty pvper but I saw a ton of same shittiness chanters fall to the same.

Roag the Gentleman · #22 08-25-2011, 02:28 PM

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Be forewarned Enchanter-haters! Rogean is hinting that we may get our way and be able to charm your asses. I'm all for gaining that guard aggro when you've fallen at his knees. Or get aggro from both player and guard, this is FUN and not OP, IMO. It was enabled for MOST of the time TZ was around through Velious anyway.

For the OP argument, if we can't do to players like we can do to mobs, then Warriors (same logic) shouldn't be able to Double Attack players with your big bad 2HS. Just sayin'

Charming players was not around through Velious. Barely even lasted into Kunark if that long.

lethdar · #23 08-25-2011, 02:31 PM

I doubt a player is going to live long enough for charm to break once the guard is on them. Not to mention tossing them into a casters guild. Even if it does break the enchanter is going to long gone out of range just for safety.

And as for pvp without charm... theres still a reason an enchanter is almost always the first target to be taken out. Pillage enchantment, tash, stuns, etc.

pasi · #24 08-25-2011, 02:33 PM

Charming players is going to be downright game-breaking. With that said, I'm all for it.

lethdar · #25 08-25-2011, 02:33 PM

But really it's cool with me, i was going to be an enchanter anyway, now when I'm bored it'll be even more fun sitting leved in the air charming newbies and throwing them into caster guilds.

Xantille · #26 08-25-2011, 02:38 PM

Lul. There's going to be approx 10 melees on this server. And they're all going to be hybrids.

dusk883 · #27 08-25-2011, 02:45 PM

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Charming players is going to be downright game-breaking. With that said, I'm all for it.

It didn't break the game for the 2+ years it was enabled. Why now?

juicedsixfo · #28 08-25-2011, 03:00 PM

The fear bug was the best, when you could fear someone in your level range and have your level 50 friend one shot 'em.

pasi · #29 08-25-2011, 03:11 PM

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It didn't break the game for the 2+ years it was enabled. Why now?

For the 2+ years, the majority of people playing PvP (at least RZ) weren't even PKs let alone people who only play to grief others. But yeah, I'm for charming because I don't play this game for 'fair' PvP on an archaic combat system.

beentheredonethat · #30 08-25-2011, 04:58 PM

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Charming and fearing players - while fun - is just too wildly OP imo.

Enchanters would need more love with NPC charming in regards to PvP I think...that's the most dangerous weapon they have.

I wouldn't call Fearing someone wildly OP. To my monk roots and snares were seriously considered OP since it basically meant I'm standing there getting ready to eat an icecomet which would wipe me out in one shot.

Blind really sucked, since I would lose ability to bag gear. I think when comes down to it, anything can be OP depending on the situation.

EQ wasn't ever made for 1v1 pvp, its completely unbalanced. A monk without MR has absolutely no chance against someone with speed buffs or roots.

I used to fear / charm people off me on Rallos I remember. It was a very strong option, but most feared by far was root + icecomet.