Name Change is in Order

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you tell me why I have just won this argument?

And I refer back to the fact that <Holocaust> is a noun, and is capitalized properly as such.

As a guild name, <holocaust> would be improper. Although I would compromise if the guild name ultimately had to be changed, and say that was acceptable.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Diggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, following Pickled's logic, if I start a sentence with the word holocaust it's automatically about the jewish Holocaust because it's capitalized?

seems that way. he's hard, lol.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I refer back to the fact that <Holocaust> is a noun, and is capitalized properly as such.

As a guild name, <holocaust> would be improper. Although I would compromise if the guild name ultimately had to be changed, and say that was acceptable.

At the very minimum, you must admit that posting a style guide that says that Holocaust capitalized almost always refers to the Judeocide doesn't advance your position in the slightest.

[Diggles]

Originally Posted by Diggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, following Pickled's logic, if I start a sentence with the word holocaust it's automatically about the jewish Holocaust because it's capitalized?

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the very minimum, you must admit that posting a style guide that says that Holocaust capitalized almost always refers to the Judeocide doesn't advance your position in the slightest.

To be safe let's just keep all guildsl owercase then, i'm down. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Aruden]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you tell me why I have just won this argument?

I LOLed.

Pickled_Heretic, thanks for standing up for whats right and for having the patience to deal with the astonishing stupidity of purest and lopholbrook.

The question I keep asking myself is how is this even a debate?

Racism often targets minorities so using a majority rules approach to determining whether or not its acceptable doesn't make any sense.

Based on this poll, at least 54 people are offended by the guild name Holocaust.

If I was a GM, I would change their name on that basis alone.

This would not, under any circumstances, be tolerated in Classic.

[Diggles]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it was <The Holocaust>, I'd be more inclined to agree.

Why do you think their name refers to Jews?

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Diggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, following Pickled's logic, if I start a sentence with the word holocaust it's automatically about the jewish Holocaust because it's capitalized?

Of course not, but any rational English-speaking human going to assume you're referring to the Judeocide unless you specify or at least provide sufficient context in the rest of your sentence.

"Holocaust," by itself, in the overwhelming majority of situations, failing sufficient context or clarification, refers to the Judeocide. Can we move on or is this still in dispute?

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the very minimum, you must admit that posting a style guide that says that Holocaust capitalized almost always refers to the Judeocide doesn't advance your position in the slightest.

Again, we're talking context.

And it does advance my position. My position is, and has been, the fact that the word "holocaust" does not specifically refer to the Holocaust. That there must be an indication or qualifier for it, and also that the use of it as a guild name isn't a slur against Jews, and isn't inappropriate for a game that you're running around murdering people in.

The main problem is that to censor a guild name because of inference and not implication, especially when the word itself is inoffensive, is wrong.

I understand why some people may be offended. But that's a problem they have to resolve within themselves. It would smack too much of undue "political correctness" if changed.

This really has been a philisophical debate, more than anything. I've proven that the word was OK, and that was my intent.

[Knuckle]

We've got several proud Jews in Holocaust including big vile.