Game Mechanics: Kazon Stormhammer giving insufficient faction hits

[Uthgaard]

I'm aware of the date. Luclin was released 10 days later. The server is still in Kunark. Looking at the evidence from Kunark, he isn't on the list of ring of scale faction hits until 2002, and there is no evidence that he had a faction hit at all prior to that, and you have the proof in absentia in plain text on the Ring of Scale list that I provided by moving forward through the updates.

Ring of Scale appeared on Lady Vox and Mistmoore npcs slightly before the release of Kunark. Slightly before the release of Luclin, you have a sudden influx of posts about his faction hit. If it isn't documented, it didn't happen. Everything, no matter how minor, is documented somewhere on some site. So far, going through all of your own resources, and by my own contribution of the rest of the resources that exist, there is no evidence to support you.

[Rais]

He was hardly if ever killed in kunark. After we cleared VP for the first time(server wide) we decided to go on a rampage of all the city leaders. Took about 15 people or so, and it was rough killing them. A monk and shaman shouldn't be able to kill him now. We NEVER farmed him for faction during the entire time of Kunark.

As for the hits, you guys are posting info from 2001+. It's getting out of hand people taking posts from people during 2001+ time period and trying to apply it to Classic Kunark.

[Harkor]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He was hardly if ever killed in kunark. After we cleared VP for the first time(server wide) we decided to go on a rampage of all the city leaders. Took about 15 people or so, and it was rough killing them. A monk and shaman shouldn't be able to kill him now. We NEVER farmed him for faction during the entire time of Kunark.

As for the hits, you guys are posting info from 2001+. It's getting out of hand people taking posts from people during 2001+ time period and trying to apply it to Classic Kunark.

Nor should we be able to 1 shot all the VP dragons with 33....but we can. You never farming the king for faction has little relevance to whether or not others did. The problem we have is the fact no one shared information back then so other guilds would not get the upper hand....so if noobs werent posting it on Zam it didnt get posted.

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Harkor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nor should we be able to 1 shot all the VP dragons with 33....but we can. You never farming the king for faction has little relevance to whether or not others did. The problem we have is the fact no one shared information back then so other guilds would not get the upper hand....so if noobs werent posting it on Zam it didnt get posted.

This is a key point. Proof "in absentia" of something not existing is not proof of anything other than people not posting it in a place you can find it now 11 years later.

There are two scenarios here:
Scenario 1:
The faction hits were always this way, they just weren't used or well known until 2001 when VP was being regularly farmed on all servers. There's no real reason to kill city leaders other than for fun as they dropped nothing and tend to screw your faction for no real reason, so him having huge faction hits that were unknown to most people, especially the type of person who freely shared information on sites like everlore is perfectly reasonable.

Supporting this is that you have 2 people in this thread alone who used Kazon to fix VP faction in late kunark / early velious era, as well as plenty of evidence that by luclin, this is clearly how it worked.

Scenario 2:
Kazon was significantly harder and gave no faction hits until just before luclin. Everyone here saying we farmed him for faction is lying. He was changed to give large faction hits despite no quests being introduced that involved him or required RoS faction. He was made EASIER to kill despite still having no drops or reason to kill him. Your evidence for this change you aren't arguing actually happened, you just think theoretically happened, is that there isn't detailed information about a mob no one had a reason to kill on sites which are missing massive amounts of information about tons of things in the world anyway.


Also, go ahead and do 4000/200. It's 20. Do 11x200+350. It's 2550. 2550 above max scowls is not still KOS. You clearly know that already. I have no idea what you're trying to prove there.