Idea to stop all the fighting

[falkun]

Careful arsenal, rotation threads get moved to RNF. Cold's already tried that route.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your guild wasn't in position

you panicked because you thought VD was going to pull, so you tagged it and trained BDA with everything in the room?

we were in position. We were set up just outside of Church away from BDA.

Bda was at the very bottom of the ramp.

VD was at the entrance.

VD rogue Kitai set off a DT, Inny was unaggrod, so we pulled it towards our camp. At the top of the ramp, we had people in tmo to tag Inny when he was otw down so he didn't just DT zeelot and become free. At the bottom of the ramp, BDA/TMO people tagged inny again. Zeelot gets DT'd and multiple people gain aggro on multiple mobs.

If bda hadn't engaged inny, the mobs would have all come toward church to our camp. Because they engaged, we had to try and kill/cc the mobs over them. Even when our enchanters mezzed, some still got broken due to pets/other nonsense.

Even after inny was dead, a bda monk still decided to keep standing with his aggro and training people as they logged back in. His people and TMOs.

I suppose we should petition him tho, I mean, that is the VD way amirite? Petition anything that looks to be damning on camera, even if it's not technically in that monks power to know when people are and are not logging in, he should be held responsible for his trains.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could have engaged at the top of the ramp, or in his room, yet you chose the bottom of the ramp where two other guilds were sitting. All 3 guilds were competing for same mob yet you decided to make camp on top of everyone.

If I'm sitting at a table with Sanluen, coldblooded, and Starie (it's a double date!) and you walk up with Jeremy and say "hey we're bringing a group to sit here, you should move" how is that kosher?

Right now the status quo is train the world, get FTE with pets and eyes, everyone else be damned, just get the fuck out of our way. This is acceptable because it's the letter of the law, but every raiding guild is miserable under this ruleset. I know you can't enjoy this shitstorm. You stepped up and found a ragefire solution, let's work on better rules of engagement because this is retarded.

We didn't set up camp over you, we had people there to make sure inny and the train stayed on our people. If you hadn't of engaged, you wouldn't of had aggro or the train. Because you did engage, we had to move people over to try and keep our pull from being KS'd and to get a hold on the train.

[Metallikus]

rules for engagement would work if enforced. One raid should not be allowed to train mobs onto another raid. It is clearly written into teh rules that raids should avoid each other in the zone and not disrupt each other. If you were camped at the bottom of the ramp, they should not be able to pull mobs thru yer camp, they should move up the ramp and pull there.

[Grozmok]

Oh snap, more server drama.

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Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rules for engagement would work if enforced. One raid should not be allowed to train mobs onto another raid. It is clearly written into teh rules that raids should avoid each other in the zone and not disrupt each other. If you were camped at the bottom of the ramp, they should not be able to pull mobs thru yer camp, they should move up the ramp and pull there.

Aye, then stop setting up camp on top of us in Fear pls.

Yet, you don't see us petitioning against you because you do. Instead, we camp the fuck out and get out of the way.

[arsenalpow]

Well I was the monk there and I was clean, so your statements are false. It doesn't matter though, I want to talk about better rules of engagement. Less training, more consideration for other guilds. The guides/GMs don't want to sort out EVERY SINGLE ENCOUNTER. Step up, police yourselves, stop engaging in shitty tactics. Only you can prevent wildfires /SmokeyBear

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aye, then stop setting up camp on top of us in Fear pls.

Yet, you don't see us petitioning against you because you do. Instead, we camp the fuck out and get out of the way.

when fear is fully popped, north wall camp is a standard camp to go to because theres very few if more than one mob there. Sometimes we beat TMO there, soemtimes we get beat to the spot. In both cases, neither guild moves very far from each other but we are sitting seperately. And if you do camp out, it's because you are DT cycling us.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I was the monk there and I was clean, so your statements are false. It doesn't matter though, I want to talk about better rules of engagement. Less training, more consideration for other guilds. The guides/GMs don't want to sort out EVERY SINGLE ENCOUNTER. Step up, police yourselves, stop engaging in shitty tactics. Only you can prevent wildfires /SmokeyBear

I watched you train our druid and one of your gnome casters (in a blue dress) and at least one other person by standing up and pulling the spectres onto the corpse and then dropping them.

IF it wasn't you, the fraps would surely look like you did it, as when you stood they would come toward inny corpse and when you flopped they would stop.

So while you think you did nothing wrong, perhaps the eyes of another would see that you aren't so clean. Or perhaps you don't see how perspective gives you different views on the same situation.

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Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when fear is fully popped, north wall camp is a standard camp to go to because theres very few if more than one mob there. Sometimes we beat TMO there, soemtimes we get beat to the spot. In both cases, neither guild moves very far from each other but we are sitting seperately. And if you do camp out, it's because you are DT cycling us.

we managed to camp out just fine when you pulled draco over us from the west when you were camped on the east side of us at Northwall.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I was the monk there and I was clean, so your statements are false. It doesn't matter though, I want to talk about better rules of engagement. Less training, more consideration for other guilds. The guides/GMs don't want to sort out EVERY SINGLE ENCOUNTER. Step up, police yourselves, stop engaging in shitty tactics. Only you can prevent wildfires /SmokeyBear

You can only be as honorable as your competition. If your competition gets the mob with "shitty tactics", then you either need to accept that you did not/will not get the kill (and all that entails), or you will need to employ your own "shitty tactics". I'm sure VD and TMO, and even IB/TR when they were still an active guild, tried getting raid mobs without using "shitty tactics", but competition has forced our collective hands. Kind of like the nuke reduction talks/treaties between Russia and USA, noone is going to come back to reasonable levels while the other still uses "shitty tactics". If you want it to happen, it has to happen as a group. Sadly, guild relations are not at levels that would allow that, at least not yet.