How do we get players to return to Project1999?

[sedrie.bellamie]

TMO kills "lesser" raid targets for one item? I do not think so. Every dragon has a chance to drop dragon scales: needed for warrior/bard epic. Yes Masetro drops the hand for the warrior epic and that is all TMO really needs: and yes there are plenty of Mains in TMO with out lightsabers.

Just b/c TMO has 100 people doesn't mean that the right classes always come online for a raid. Everyone wants their epic and TMO is trying to do that for everyone of their members. What is TMO suppose to do? Tell all the mains without their epics that TMO has to wait until all the casuals get theirs? Sorry half of TMO necros and warriors you have to wait until the casuals get theirs.

There is a reason you guys are called casual. It takes dedication to get to VP, to kill a mob like Gore, and to do things like break fear and hate. If these things were so easy all the casuals would do them. But it takes 25+ people and smart leadership.

People in this thread think it is as easy as getting 30+ people to show up. Make sure those 30 have MR over 250, make sure you have clerics/chanters each with bag loads of 'dots. Make sure your puller and Main Assist know their jobs.

Raiding is not like getting a pick up group in KC or seb. You need people who won't AFK for an hour, you need people who know how to play their classes and know their role in a raid. These things just dont happen over night.

You casuals got 2 weeks to figure out how to raid and not just zerg. TMO can zerg sometimes b/c 80+ log on for VS. But what about those 4am ragefires or races to TD for fay? You BDA/VD/IB can complain about TMO ruining "your" server but think about the 100 people in TMO? they do not deserve to kill raid mobs b/c they have done it already?

Sorry Tom Bardy but we dont want to play football against you anymore. What cry baby stuff right there. You all say, anyone can kill a 32k dragon on p99. Then do it.

Stop asking for hand outs, stop asking for free mobs, stop asking the GMs to get involved. If you want a raid mob, get a raid and take that mob.

[sedrie.bellamie]

Originally Posted by Greeedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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If I recall, TMO could only 'compete' in farming lockets for the first few months that the IB/DW merger guild TR completely owned the server. When they had farmed the crap so long and were still waiting for VP to come out, people just did not log on anymore. IB could barely pull 20 people on a good night, so they merged their raids with VD to get the numbers. Honestly Alarti, I would calm down about how wonderful your guild is...whatever 'competition' means, being able to do it after the fact does not make you special in any way.

This, exactly this. If you want to compete against TMO you have to build up like TMO did. TMO didn't just call upon the dark side of the force for their power. They built it up by farming lockets, raiding sky for a whole summer, and recruiting "good" players. I guess I could see how people not in TMO could feel. But if the shoe was on the other foot you would be crying like TMO is doing now.

Competition is getting good leadership, strong officers, and people who WANT to log in at anytime to fight the enemy. TMO was sad to see IB go (but happy to see VD go) b/c it was the competition that brought some of the TMO to p99. TMO wanted to be the top guild on the server and did that throu competition.

That is what it is going to take. BDA is going to have to want to be the number 1 guild and not just call them that because of their large numbers. TMO got number one by out racing and being smarter players. If BDA ( and their tag along VD/IB brothers) really wanted to compete they would merge and start actively tracking targets.

But that is where TMO succeeds and everyone else fails. TMO knows how to share loot, tracking duties, and raid leadership. That did not come about b/c IB had to take 2 weeks off. It took TMO a year to build up to the point they could go to war with IB.

If you want to go to war with TMO then you need to do your homework and not just expect handouts.

[Stealin Dragons]

Originally Posted by Greeedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By 'compete' he of course means BDA or Divinity would not engage in training as TMO would. Nor would they be as good as it even if they tried - it requires a certain amount of on-the-job experience that is lacking in those guilds.

That may be competition and it may not - point is, people seem to have very different conceptions of what competition actually is. Until we have a working definition of 'competition', extremely ambiguous posts that only lead to shit fits like this will continue.

If I recall, TMO could only 'compete' in farming lockets for the first few months that the IB/DW merger guild TR completely owned the server. When they had farmed the crap so long and were still waiting for VP to come out, people just did not log on anymore. IB could barely pull 20 people on a good night, so they merged their raids with VD to get the numbers. Honestly Alarti, I would calm down about how wonderful your guild is...whatever 'competition' means, being able to do it after the fact does not make you special in any way.

I've kicked the ass of everyone in IB. They all returned at some point to get stomped by me while wearing < The Mystical Order > as a guild tag.

Also, I could say that not everyone was in TMO when Kunark came about and the first few months. I rejoined the same time TMO started taking out raid targets and we only progressed, IB just fell apart due to their own shitty members doing what they did prekunark and do to the overwhelming enemy of TMO.

IB was forced by their own members to join up with VD to keep going, which also pissed off other members. It was IB's drive to keep TMO from killing targets that ended up being their downfall.

That trend of keeping others from killing targets has been around since the server started. Which is the best way to keep your guild ahead of others on expac launches and so forth.

[HarrisonCantBeStopped]

Originally Posted by Greeedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By 'compete' he of course means BDA or Divinity would not engage in training as TMO would. Nor would they be as good as it even if they tried - it requires a certain amount of on-the-job experience that is lacking in those guilds.

That may be competition and it may not - point is, people seem to have very different conceptions of what competition actually is. Until we have a working definition of 'competition', extremely ambiguous posts that only lead to shit fits like this will continue.

If I recall, TMO could only 'compete' in farming lockets for the first few months that the IB/DW merger guild TR completely owned the server. When they had farmed the crap so long and were still waiting for VP to come out, people just did not log on anymore. IB could barely pull 20 people on a good night, so they merged their raids with VD to get the numbers. Honestly Alarti, I would calm down about how wonderful your guild is...whatever 'competition' means, being able to do it after the fact does not make you special in any way.

Don't forget that when Kunark launched TMO killed the spell merchants, bugging them, to cockblock large swathes of players from even getting to kunark. The merchants either didn't respawn at all, or didn't respawn with the kunark port spells on them.

Then they proceeded to poopsock camps 24/7, not raiding, because they couldn't compete with a real raiding guild.

They cheated, just to go poopsock lowbie camps.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by sedrie.bellamie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO kills "lesser" raid targets for one item? I do not think so. Every dragon has a chance to drop dragon scales: needed for warrior/bard epic. Yes Masetro drops the hand for the warrior epic and that is all TMO really needs: and yes there are plenty of Mains in TMO with out lightsabers.

Just b/c TMO has 100 people doesn't mean that the right classes always come online for a raid. Everyone wants their epic and TMO is trying to do that for everyone of their members. What is TMO suppose to do? Tell all the mains without their epics that TMO has to wait until all the casuals get theirs? Sorry half of TMO necros and warriors you have to wait until the casuals get theirs.

There is a reason you guys are called casual. It takes dedication to get to VP, to kill a mob like Gore, and to do things like break fear and hate. If these things were so easy all the casuals would do them. But it takes 25+ people and smart leadership.

People in this thread think it is as easy as getting 30+ people to show up. Make sure those 30 have MR over 250, make sure you have clerics/chanters each with bag loads of 'dots. Make sure your puller and Main Assist know their jobs.

Raiding is not like getting a pick up group in KC or seb. You need people who won't AFK for an hour, you need people who know how to play their classes and know their role in a raid. These things just dont happen over night.

You casuals got 2 weeks to figure out how to raid and not just zerg. TMO can zerg sometimes b/c 80+ log on for VS. But what about those 4am ragefires or races to TD for fay? You BDA/VD/IB can complain about TMO ruining "your" server but think about the 100 people in TMO? they do not deserve to kill raid mobs b/c they have done it already?

Sorry Tom Bardy but we dont want to play football against you anymore. What cry baby stuff right there. You all say, anyone can kill a 32k dragon on p99. Then do it.

Stop asking for hand outs, stop asking for free mobs, stop asking the GMs to get involved. If you want a raid mob, get a raid and take that mob.

Got sev in a morning pop with 1 rogue and a few other dps, in day 1 or 2. Was a long fight but it was still taken care of. One night repop BDA got the majority of the raid mobs. Divinity beat BDA to the pull on fay, complete and utter grats to them. Guilds besides tmo can mobilize and get mobs with less than ideal situations. I, personally, am not saying you guys should tell anybody to "wait for the other guilds". What i am saying is that we need to not be dicks to each other. The current situation makes it pretty hard for people to not be dicks to each other. Due to the way certain implementations of spawncode were made to combat things that happened on this server a good while ago, because people were being dicks to each other.
Frankly, you have to look at the future. This thread was brought up it seems because people want to do something to up the population in this limbo we currently are working with. I even quoted and agreed with stealin!

A couple of the ideas tossed around would give you even more epic loot drop opportunities than you do right now. But it also would give other guilds opportunities as well.

Look if I was the miami dolphins. I would hate to play tom brady 2 times a year. But i would still go out, get 400 yards dropped on me with 5 touchdowns, but if i can snag an interception and run it back for the TD every once in awhile, maybe we could get a win out of it. It keeps you in the game. But if tom brady has a mic in his helmet stealing the defensive signals, after he could already beat us with his talent. Well that's just not competition. That's being a dick.

And then the giants beat them in the superbowl.

[falkun]

Alarti, no one outside of TMO cares what TMO wants to throw their weight around to obtain. If you guys want to train and grief other guilds out of VP so you can obtain another bagged weapon for your 5th L15 ranger tracker bot, congratulations. As a bard, I won't be using anything other than a drum, a lute, and possibly my epic anyways, so the weapons are pretty mute. When you get back from your vacation, enjoy clearing it for the 50th time.

Alarti, remember your initial VP experience was gifted to you by server staff, months after the previous #1 guild was prepared to enter VP. It is showing that your guild doesn't pay it forward to other guilds. I'm glad to see BDA paying it forward, even if that means I, as a BDA member, get fewer raid mobs than possible.

Sedrie, BDA has been selectively competing against TMO to "take that raid mob." But then TMO resorts to tactics similar to those resulting in their suspension. "Compete" fairly, or don't compete, and don't call raid-suspension-worthy tactics "competing".

If you were sad to see IB/TR leave, why did you grief them off the server? Its called a sore winner (even if obtained via raid-suspension-worthy tactics), and people see that and respond to it, usually by ignoring you.

Stealin: what has that competition given you? You have uninstalled this game, the fact that you still post on these forums (and that you've changed monikers to avoid a ban) shows that you are just as "bad/mad/sad" as your rival(s). Pot - kettle - black. If you enjoyed this game, come back and play it, I'd hope TMO would love to see you return. If its not fun, might I suggest HoN, DOTA2, MW2, or another game built for PVP where your prowess can actually be measured in something other than the months you have put into the game. EQ was not designed as a PVP game, the sooner you realize it, the healthier you'll be in the long run.

[LizardNecro]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...and add the spawned versions of epic kill mobs, and go ahead and itemize the minibosses in fear and hate so that harder epics are not impossible to get without a bunch of money for a MQ or join the Uber raiding guild. It would give people a fair amount of stuff to do waiting on Velious. Its not "classic" for the timeline. But community wise it would be the right thing to do.

Truth (and fixed a small omission) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[radditsu]

I honestly believe stealing was sad to see IB go. I honestly believe you guys want a real competition. I believe you guys want that knockdown drag out fight that you had. But I do not think anybody wants to give it to you guys, not on the terms you really want. Maybe IB will come back and do it. I don't think anybody else wants to get in the mud.

So you win by default.

Now back to the task at hand. Ideas to make this server pop go up. GO

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by LizardNecro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truth (and fixed a small omission) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honest mistake. I have those.

[Artah]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly believe stealing was sad to see IB go. I honestly believe you guys want a real competition. I believe you guys want that knockdown drag out fight that you had. But I do not think anybody wants to give it to you guys, not on the terms you really want. Maybe IB will come back and do it. I don't think anybody else wants to get in the mud.

So you win by default.

Now back to the task at hand. Ideas to make this server pop go up. GO

If enough of the rest of the guilds combine forces you can really bring a lot of adrenaline rush to the server. What i'm seeing is that the rest of the guilds/players that can easily bring competition to TMO if they wanted to can't get along with each other to do it. That is not TMO's fault.

Now the task at hand, these new players that gets on the server to check it out should be invited to starter up guilds to keep them intested, make friends and give them more reasons to keep playing. That should help somewhat.