If a new p99 server opened with forced raid target rotations would you switch?

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Cars [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets pretend that P99 had rotations from the start. There would be no drama, no race for loot and therefore guilds would practically never split up because they would never fail consistently enough to be so unhappy with there current situation to change it. In this rotation of guilds you have:
Inglorious basterds, Transcendance, Divinity, Fish bait, Gothic Circle, Dark Ascension, TMO, and countless other guilds that would crop up because there is no need for guilds to increase past a certain size.

It would take a year to gear out a raid force of 14 and even that process would have been ridiculously boring. A server with forced rotations could not ever live with a reasonable server population, people would get bored and leave.

I agree that hardcore people would get bored and leave. EQMac, while not classic has a great community and they all share targets. There is no cockblocking and their population was around about what we have when I was there not too long ago. I believe it is still similar.

I know TMO's 2nd and 3rd alts are all dying for Trak BPs and VP gear but it would be amazing if some others had a shot.

Asher

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that hardcore people would get bored and leave. EQMac, while not classic has a great community and they all share targets. There is no cockblocking and their population was around about what we have when I was there not too long ago. I believe it is still similar.

I know TMO's 2nd and 3rd alts are all dying for Trak BPs and VP gear but it would be amazing if some others had a shot.

Asher

EQmac =/= p99.

for starters, EQmac has a ton more content able to keep the many guilds it has on a rotation.

P99 has never had enough content to satisfy the guilds able to take it on.

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQmac =/= p99.

for starters, EQmac has a ton more content able to keep the many guilds it has on a rotation.

P99 has never had enough content to satisfy the guilds able to take it on.

That is a valid point.

I have a feeling that the community there would still make it work though. They are very friendly and have a completely different mind set. I was a member of the top guild and we often let other guilds clear VT when they wanted, while many of our members still had upgrades there.

Asher

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is a valid point.

I have a feeling that the community there would still make it work though. They are very friendly and have a completely different mind set. I was a member of the top guild and we often let other guilds clear VT when they wanted, while many of our members still had upgrades there.

Asher

You are comparing a server that has scheduled repops and three or four more expansions than P99 on the subject of sharing content.

Nilbog pointed out that the end game guilds are in his opinion much larger than the they were on live. Additionally, I will point out that after this much time had elapsed on live I don't think the top 4 guilds on a server were generally in competition for the same mobs. We've got more people, capped for more time, with more knowledge, on the same mobs.

[LizardNecro]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are comparing a server that has scheduled repops and three or four more expansions than P99 on the subject of sharing content.

Nilbog pointed out that the end game guilds are in his opinion much larger than the they were on live. Additionally, I will point out that after this much time had elapsed on live I don't think the top 4 guilds on a server were generally in competition for the same mobs. We've got more people, capped for more time, with more knowledge, on the same mobs.

I agree with Atmas. It's easy to paint the high end eqMac guilds as full of benevolent saints, but they have the same population as us in addition to Velious, Luclin, and PoP.

This allows hard core raiding guilds there like IB to do progression style raiding -- they are on Velious and there's not a whole server of people that want the same thing.

And with PoP content, a lot of epics are frankly obsolete. This reduces demand for the Vanilla and Kunark boss mobs.

I really wish the devs here would consider raid tokens. I love the sleeper server, but they allow boxing (yuck) and plan to expand past velious (yuck). But the raid token idea is extremely compelling. I love the idea of competition, and I love the idea that those who work the hardest get the most. And I love the idea that those who don't work the hardest still get to experience content (but not enough as to trivialize the work of those that work the hardest).

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are comparing a server that has scheduled repops and three or four more expansions than P99 on the subject of sharing content.

Nilbog pointed out that the end game guilds are in his opinion much larger than the they were on live. Additionally, I will point out that after this much time had elapsed on live I don't think the top 4 guilds on a server were generally in competition for the same mobs. We've got more people, capped for more time, with more knowledge, on the same mobs.

Yes, which is why I said he has a valid point. I still believe the mindset of people there is way different than the people here. There are no hardcore guilds on EQMac.

On any Server guilds tend to be forced into sharing the high end content. On EQMac this is EPs, PoTime and VT. When I played on EQMac they were not yet in PoTime and no other guilds were in the EPs or even close. VT had drops that many of our members needed but when a smaller guild asked if they could hit VT we happily let them do it and we did it the next week or two weeks later.

There was never a rush to cockblock content. When a guild requested to kill a mob that would give them access to the EPs we happily gave them attempts at the mob. You could equate it to how things are on our server if TMO would let other guilds have a shot at mobs.

I don't believe other guilds are interested in "competing" on p99 TMO has successfully run them all off the server. TMO has stated, or at least I believe they have, that they pretty much have all the drops they need from all current content save Phara Dar. Why not just let a guild or two have a shot at Trak or other Kunark dragons? Does your third alt really need to get that Trak BP or CoF?

What else are you trying to prove to us? We all know you are king. We don't care. We just want to have access to the content you currently dominate and have no interest in sharing.

I am not implying you have to share. The rules of the server put you well within your rights to kill every raid target an hour after they spawn. I just think a server with more sharing would be cool. That is all.

Asher

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that hardcore people would get bored and leave. EQMac, while not classic has a great community and they all share targets. There is no cockblocking and their population was around about what we have when I was there not too long ago. I believe it is still similar.

I know TMO's 2nd and 3rd alts are all dying for Trak BPs and VP gear but it would be amazing if some others had a shot.

Asher

You guys have a shot... compete~

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys have a shot... compete~

I cannot dedicate the time to "compete". TMO has won EQ Classic.

Congratulations on clearing raid targets to gear your alts.

Asher