Game Mechanics: non-humanoids wielding weapons/quadding

[Dullah]

Bump. If it doesn't have hands, it shouldn't dual wield.

[Nirgon]

Drachnids in DL have hands and I don't recall them dual wielding, same with spectres (on of my favorite NPCs Iknowrite). I don't remember Drolvargs being able to dual wield either.

"Has hands" is a good measure, but not the rule.

Then again, charm was MUCH LESS prevalent in live Kunark for grouping. It lasts way too long, way too reliably here on mobs of respectable level compared to the caster. Case and point (and in terms of resists) the plane of fear mobs getting charmed very reliably even before Kunark without oodles of CHA gear. This cannot be denied by someone of that era with a sound memory/understanding of charm mechanics.

That said, if this isn't fixed? Some of the TOV dragons are going to be a fucking nightmare..

As far as NPCs carrying a haste item? I do remember the frenzied ghoul being significantly harder when he had the sash. A good way to realize this is how mage muzzles effect pets as well.

[Ferok]

When does this change? Virtually every dragon in Velious quads.

[bizzum]

Originally Posted by Ferok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When does this change? Virtually every dragon in Velious quads.

The dragons all might quad in Velious, but that might be an innate ability to be able to claw at your 4 times in a round of combat, rather than it being dictated by the loot table that they hold.

Currently you can find a dual weilding Hoshkar, for example, some weeks, and others he won't have weapons and does a lot less damage. You can see this also with Spiroc lord in Sky with his wingblades (but maybe hes a humanoid so its okay).

[Nirgon]

I mean some NPCs do dual wield that are humanoid, guards for example (esp Dark Elf ones) so that should be OK yes.

I guess the shaman pet fix is do not accept the item at all, not if you have it don't use it.

[Nirgon]

I think it is fixed for shaman pets so ... I mean it shouldn't be too big a change? Don't have access tho to see if there's any difference [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

[bizzum]

Humanoids should dual wield though, yes? At least have the capability. Thats what I was saying.

[Dragonzord]

maybe not wielding weapons but why wouldn't a dragon be able to claw you with each hand twice (quadding)?

[bizzum]

Originally Posted by Dragonzord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe not wielding weapons but why wouldn't a dragon be able to claw you with each hand twice (quadding)?

that might be an innate ability to be able to claw at your 4 times in a round of combat, rather than it being dictated by the loot table that they hold.

i.e. they can quad maybe but they don't need weapons to do such and won't equip weapons they have.

[Nirgon]

I'm not saying dragons shouldn't be able to quad across the board. I'm just saying I see the current dragons as being able to double attack and Hoshkar specificaly I see only double attacking (2 CLAW attacks) while he has 2 weapons on his loot table in the other thread.