So your guns keep you safe?

[Humerox]

I don't care what anyone says...Australia had 11 mass gun slayings in the decade before they implemented strict gun-control, and 0...count them...0 since.

REAL gun laws are required, not just jokes that are ineffective. We need to look at Australia's policy pretty hard. I'm a firm second-amendment believer, but I don't think our right extends to semi-automatic handguns or assault rifles. They make mass killing easy and efficient...and we as civilians need them as much as we do bazookas and tanks.

If you're concerned about repelling a tyrannical dictator that would decide to send the most powerful military in history against you...well, the opportunity for civilians in America to be able to defend against that is ancient history.

[Andrew Jackson]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're concerned about repelling a tyrannical dictator that would decide to send the most powerful military in history against you...well, the opportunity for civilians in America to be able to defend against that is ancient history.

You're trolling.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...d.php?t=52283&

[Humerox]

Actually, I'm not. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Andrew Jackson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're trolling.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...d.php?t=52283&

Well...then we'd have to talk about the will of the average American nowadays...but yeah, I get your point, lol...

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care what anyone says...Australia had 11 mass gun slayings in the decade before they implemented strict gun-control, and 0...count them...0 since.

REAL gun laws are required, not just jokes that are ineffective. We need to look at Australia's policy pretty hard. I'm a firm second-amendment believer, but I don't think our right extends to semi-automatic handguns or assault rifles. They make mass killing easy and efficient...and we as civilians need them as much as we do bazookas and tanks.

This stuff about Australia is a joke. You read a website and 'trust' what they say without fact. Mass killings still happen in Australia and crazy people are still crazy with or without guns. (Childers Fire / Monash Shooting / Melbourne killings / Snowtown / etc.). I don't care to own a semi-automatic weapon but it won't solve the problem. Handguns are involved in about 20 times as many murders than rifles are. My problem is that when we ban assault weapons, it won't solve the problem, then they will want your handguns. All the time, the real problem is that some people are just fucking crazy or snap. If they can't kill someone with a gun, then they will do what Timothy McVeigh did and make a bomb, or just run people down with their car, etc. The tool the crazy person uses to be crazy isn't the problem.

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're concerned about repelling a tyrannical dictator that would decide to send the most powerful military in history against you...well, the opportunity for civilians in America to be able to defend against that is ancient history.

The point of having a people with arms is that the largest standing army in the country will be the free people and not the military. If an entire populace, freely armed, did want to rebel or overthrow tyranny, it would be possible even if the government has more firepower. I realize you will come back with 'well they will just nuke them' or use drones' etc. I get it and still believe that a population, freely armed would persevere. (Especially when the 'army' you are against is made up of the people that are rebelling, very few in the armed forces would execute against American citizens in this situation).

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This stuff about Australia is a joke. You read a website and 'trust' what they say without fact. Mass killings still happen in Australia and crazy people are still crazy with or without guns. (Childers Fire / Monash Shooting / Melbourne killings / Snowtown / etc.). I don't care to own a semi-automatic weapon but it won't solve the problem. Handguns are involved in about 20 times as many murders than rifles are. My problem is that when we ban assault weapons, it won't solve the problem, then they will want your handguns. All the time, the real problem is that some people are just fucking crazy or snap. If they can't kill someone with a gun, then they will do what Timothy McVeigh did and make a bomb, or just run people down with their car, etc. The tool the crazy person uses to be crazy isn't the problem.


The point of having a people with arms is that the largest standing army in the country will be the free people and not the military. If an entire populace, freely armed, did want to rebel or overthrow tyranny, it would be possible even if the government has more firepower. I realize you will come back with 'well they will just nuke them' or use drones' etc. I get it and still believe that a population, freely armed would persevere. (Especially when the 'army' you are against is made up of the people that are rebelling, very few in the armed forces would execute against American citizens in this situation).

Having lived in Australia (I drove road trains there for a while), I beg to differ. But maybe Rueters can help with this.

As a veteran of the US Army I can say two things:

1) We will never have to worry about our armed services killing the populace.
2) If I were proven wrong - although I would love to believe what you said is true - civilians wouldn't stand a chance. Red Dawn is Hollywood.

[Arclyte]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the opportunity for civilians in America to be able to defend against that is ancient history

...meanwhile a bunch of untrained cavemen have fought the strongest military in history to a stalemate for over 11 years with AK47s, RPGs and improvised explosives.

You are wrong. Flat out.

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by Arclyte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...meanwhile a bunch of untrained cavemen have fought the strongest military in history to a stalemate for over 11 years with AK47s, RPGs and improvised explosives.

You are wrong. Flat out.

Pretty significant cultural differences between Joe American and Joe Mujahideen.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Arclyte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...meanwhile a bunch of untrained cavemen have fought the strongest military in history to a stalemate for over 11 years with AK47s, RPGs and improvised explosives.

You are wrong. Flat out.

The Afghans ain't wrapped up in Dancing with the Stars and they don't care if McDonald's is open or not. The average American wouldn't last 10 days in a cave before he was begging to suck **ck for a french fry.

Hitchens nailed it, bro. Wake up.

[leezard]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All credibility lost, no one kills feral hogs with a .22, are you fucking serious?

Yours, anyway.

You apparently know very little about guns. And had we been discussing virtues of different calibers, guns we like, and geeking out about chrome .45's then I probably would have given more info, like the fact it is a .22 mag rifle, and that the hogs are trapped first. Alot of folks here use a .25 caliber pistol for this, but the .22 mag does just fine.