Raid Rules Alternative

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Originally Posted by Wrei

2. First to engage rule 15min, exactly like Dumesh outlined with a small adjustment here and there for specific bosses that requires planar clears.

You don't need adjustments for that. If a guild can aggro the boss and complete the kill without all the trash being pulled, bully for them. The 15 min starts from the time the boss is aggro'd. It doesn't matter what happens to the trash before or after that time as long as no one is training each other.

Originally Posted by Wrei

3. Increase Time variance even more to + or - 7 ~ 10 days. Add in a flat 8 hours before variance starts on time of the death of the boss (Emil's idea). To further discourage camping even with these rules.

I think this would be a big mistake. The variance only needs to be enough to ensure that the bosses sometimes spawn during Euro and Aussie prime times. The larger the variance, the lower the value of the knowledge of the mobs last time of death and the higher the incentive to keep trackers and / or small crews camping. Also, please notice that in my post I am advocating only a positive element to the variance... never shorter than the base spawn time, only up to 12 hours beyond the base. This keeps the window relatively small, but still has the effect of rotating the spawn around the clock.

I'd also be in favor of random 0-12 hour or 0-24 hour patch day spawns, but only on patch days. I'm not sure how the code would be written, but basically I am saying, only restart the timers if the server is brought down intentionally for a patch that is posted on the boards. This would make sure there is no incentive by players to find a way to crash the zone or the server to get more spawns.

[mitic]

increasing spawn timer or mob engage within 15 mins, an hour, 2 hours or 6 hours wont help at all to change anything in the current situation

the ONLY solution to make EVERYONE happy would be a calendar system = guild has time to kill a boss for a whole day in a weekly rotation. if the guild in line doesnt make it for the kill then the next one (planned for the next week) gets the shot.

[Spirell]

In order for FFA to really work well, they need to get the raid tool working, and allow a whole raid's DPS to count for the kill credit. I can already see the drama on an FFA type engage where 1 group of the "other guild" goes in and KSes the mob, and we are back to square 1 with forcing the issue to "mom and dad" (aka GMs). Or even worse 1 of the guilds gets upset because you were able to get engage first and decides to engage as well, causing mass chaos.

It would eliminate the camping for sure, because just cause you stayed there all night does not mean you can ready first on pop

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the ONLY solution to make EVERYONE happy would be a calendar system

Broad generalization. It is wrong.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Broad generalization. It is wrong.

of course its wrong, wrong for the current campers/batphoners. for the rest (95%?) of the server it would be a perfect solution.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

of course its wrong, wrong for the current campers/batphoners. for the rest (95%?) of the server it would be a perfect solution.

Uh, you just said it was perfect for everyone in your previous statement.
At least attempt to have consistency when you argue something.

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[Taxi]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

of course its wrong, wrong for the current campers/batphoners. for the rest (95%?) of the server it would be a perfect solution.

Im gonna play ghetto mod here and ask people to stay on topic. It would be sad to see this thread devolve into another "But mobilization takes skill - Yea but camping works" thread. I can clown when its time for it but i think this is an important issue for the server. If you really like playing here, please keep the bickering to R&F.

No, i dont like the calendar idea, and i dont like being implied that if im against calendars, i must be for camping/mobilizing. Youre trolling.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, i dont like the calendar idea, and i dont like being implied that if im against calendars, i must be for camping/mobilizing. Youre trolling.

then, sir, you will never see bosses for the months to come if you are not in IB or DA. changing engage timer or booting afk ppl wont change ANYTHING

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then, sir, you will never see bosses for the months to come if you are not in IB or DA. changing engage timer or booting afk ppl wont change ANYTHING

Broad generalization. Another one. Keep up that line of arguing, it seems to be helping your case.

[Erasong]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then, sir, you will never see bosses for the months to come if you are not in IB or DA. changing engage timer or booting afk ppl wont change ANYTHING

You should not be given a boss mob simply becuase you play here. Sorry but just no. If thats the case lets give out a starter package to everyone who rolls on the server of 1 yak 1 fbss 1 SMR and 1 GEB's simply for deciding this is the server for them. these tiems are always camped and they deserve it too right? I dont know why you feel you deserve free stuff but ya. Im sorry if this came out as a flame. it wasnt intended too. I just feel strongly about it. Camping/mobilizing/batphoning may not seem like work to you ( in fact id agree ), but the fact is that IS the work required in a GAME to achieve certain goals and not just in the raid scene. Who has gotten an FBSS without SOMEONE camping it or the cash to buy it? Ive raced for 6 man mobs before also.