Any Young-Earth Creationists?

[Quiksilver]

I like this thread, so far. Someone states "abc" theory, then another swoops in and shoots it down with "xyz" theory.

The universe is huge. At this time, we as the human race have dissected 1 gram of water out of something the size of an ocean. We still don't know how the gram works so let's not get ahead of ourselves quite yet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The universe was created this size and this complex so that we cant find the beginning. Once we find the answer to the ultimate question, we will all commit suicide because we are unhappy with the find, because we become fulfilled, or we just become bored.

*SPOILER ALERT*
Tell me, do you feel accomplished once you figured out it was your parents and not Santa Claus? Or finding out that movies are just created using smoke and mirrors? I'm going to state the obvious in saying that these are analogies. Life goes on once you find out that Santa isn't real. But could you say the same once the creator is revealed? (or if there even IS one?)
*END OF SPOILER ALERT*
I take pity on those who do not believe in some form of creator because it's a difficult life. A "believer" can life their life in ruins and suffering but will always have something to fall back on. A "non-believer" cant do that. There is no ground to stand on other than science, which is not enough. We are stupid as the human race and know virtually nothing of our selves (really? you do? why do enzymes behave the way they do?) our planet (really? you do? google the money pit and deep ocean exploration for me then) and our universe.

Billions in cash and lives have been spent searching for all the answers and we continue to come up short. I'll continue to believe in my God, while the others can continue to live their fruitless lives. Why? Because it's easier, that's why. I simply choose not to pursue a meaningless effort.

I am NOT saying that God gives meaning to my life. What He represents is what gives my life meaning. I choose not to pursue where we, planets, and the universe came from because we aren't going to find the answers in our lifetime. It's made that way for a reason.

I've stuck my neck out there, come get some [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by Quiksilver [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like this thread, so far. Someone states "abc" theory, then another swoops in and shoots it down with "xyz" theory.

The universe is huge. At this time, we as the human race have dissected 1 gram of water out of something the size of an ocean. We still don't know how the gram works so let's not get ahead of ourselves quite yet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The universe was created this size and this complex so that we cant find the beginning. Once we find the answer to the ultimate question, we will all commit suicide because we are unhappy with the find, because we become fulfilled, or we just become bored.

*SPOILER ALERT*
Tell me, do you feel accomplished once you figured out it was your parents and not Santa Claus? Or finding out that movies are just created using smoke and mirrors? I'm going to state the obvious in saying that these are analogies. Life goes on once you find out that Santa isn't real. But could you say the same once the creator is revealed? (or if there even IS one?)
*END OF SPOILER ALERT*
I take pity on those who do not believe in some form of creator because it's a difficult life. A "believer" can life their life in ruins and suffering but will always have something to fall back on. A "non-believer" cant do that. There is no ground to stand on other than science, which is not enough. We are stupid as the human race and know virtually nothing of our selves (really? you do? why do enzymes behave the way they do?) our planet (really? you do? google the money pit and deep ocean exploration for me then) and our universe.

Billions in cash and lives have been spent searching for all the answers and we continue to come up short. I'll continue to believe in my God, while the others can continue to live their fruitless lives. Why? Because it's easier, that's why. I simply choose not to pursue a meaningless effort.

I am NOT saying that God gives meaning to my life. What He represents is what gives my life meaning. I choose not to pursue where we, planets, and the universe came from because we aren't going to find the answers in our lifetime. It's made that way for a reason.

I've stuck my neck out there, come get some [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Voltaire already addressed Pascal's Wager.

[Quiksilver]

Not in this thread he didn't

[Hitchens]

Only need to do it once.

[Quiksilver]

So by your own logic, this thread should be removed because these philosophies and arguments have already been made in the past.

DEVS DO YOUR WORST

[Hitchens]

There certainly wouldn't be any loss if this thread were deleted. I highly doubt RNF is going to solve age old philosophical disagreements when it doesn't even form new ways to do it.

[Quiksilver]

Would you believe me if I told you I was unaware of Voltaire vs. Pascal's Wager before this discussion? I just wiki'd that shit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what I posted was actually from my own brain. At least there is a proper name for my way of thinking. And for that, I thank you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well actually everything I've said is already proven fact but just like every other controversial proven fact in history, the majority is always against it until one day it just becomes common sense. In fact let me give you a perfect example of how people like you are like a boulder for the human race that intelligent people like me have to carry.

Yes, it's clearly the people who don't make up convenient answers to difficult questions who are holding humanity back from the great advances to be made by welcoming the flying spaghetti monster into our lives.

Here's a little tip: just because you or any other nutjob believe it doesn't make it fact, no matter how much you want it to.

[Tierael]

Science rules. Aliens made us. God made Aliens.

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[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is there no evidence? There is so much evidence that I seriously can't believe that people still don't believe in God in 2013. With the vast amount of scientific knowledge we possess you would think it should be obvious by the 2nd grade. DNA is literally the smoking gun for God, it seriously can't make his existence anymore obvious.

The first of every living thing had to have been created by a being that is not bound by the laws of the physical universe. According to the scientific law known as the law of biogenesis, all living things MUST come from another living thing of the same type. For example, cows will always produce more cows and cows will only ever come from other cows. Same goes for every single living thing from dogs to cats and the entire human race.

Mules come from mules huh...

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think about it logically, all infants REQUIRE the care of their parents. Who then cared for the first infant? Also, where did it come from if it's parents don't exist? This is more evidence for God since according to the very laws of science, life shouldn't technically even be possible. I'm not invoking God simply because "I don't know how, therefor God did it". I'm invoking God because based on the evidence, the only way some things are possible is if they were done by a being capable of doing anything.

Newly formed bacteria doesn't need to be "cared for" nor does a good portion of the animal kingdom in general, I wouldn't even call this an argument, I'd call it a cry for help.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about an analogy maybe? We all play EQ. It is a world that was created, in this case the creators name is Verant instead of God. Nothing in this world happened randomly or by chance, it is all the product of intelligent thought. Literally every single pixel and every single line of code that governs the actions within the game were consciously chosen and created. Also consider that a great deal of effort is made in an attempt to reflect the actual world.

It is also easy to see that these creators have power over the world that a normal player does not. Just like God is able to manipulate the physical laws of the universe, GM's are able to manipulate the laws of Norrath. They can rez without being a cleric and they can port to any location in the world with a simple command. Why then is it so hard to believe that God too would have powers over the physical universe and is not bound by it's laws? This is a perfect example of how things such as miracles are possible such as life beginning or Jesus walking on water etc.

So here you are, sitting in a virtual world that attempts to mimic the real world and we know for a fact that this world was 100% entirely the product of intelligent beings. Yet you can't grasp the idea that the real world too, was the product of an intelligent being?

This analogy is pretty weak. New zones cannot be created, nor can their layouts be modified in any way with the exception of the location/types of objects placed within. The GM's aren't omnipotent, simply more advanced.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can tell a poorly thought out argument when no reasoning is provided with a statement. I didn't come here simply stating "God did it". However, you come here and say "evolution did it". How is this any different then what you claim I'm doing? Bit hypocritical don't you think?

Actually you are, and nothing that you've shown is evidence in any way, shape or form. You aren't fooling us, stop fooling yourself.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You also can't just state "evolution" because there is no known mechanism in which evolution can cause inanimate matter to become alive. There is also no evidence that one species can become another entirely different species. Evolution contradicts the law of biogenesis and the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot have a scientific theory that contradicts a scientific law. Laws are undeniable scientific facts that are 100% consistent. Evolution by definition is unscientific.

Actually there is, learn to science. Partiularly the science of archaeology.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually the gods of ancient mythology were real people that actually existed and still do. They are simply very advanced beings that were called gods because of their technology. They too however were created by God but this is a completely different discussion. I will say this tho, there is an ancient text by Apollo stating that the gods were ordered by Jesus to leave the planet, several hundred years before he was born. So how does Apollo...a supposedly fake person, know about or even have a conversation with someone who hasn't even been born yet? Unless of course Apollo was a real person and Jesus really is who he says he is.

From this point foreward I'll not take any stock in anything you have to say, however I'll still point out some of the more obvious inconsistancies with your beliefs.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Invoking God has nothing to do with a need to explain but rather that God is the only logical explanation. There's only two possibilities for how life began and only one of them is logical. Either everything created itself from nothing, for no reason and inanimate matter some how magically turned itself into complex constructs for again, no reason or purpose, just total random chance coincidences. Or an intelligent being designed and then created the universe for a reason and for a purpose and they took inanimate matter and formed it into complex things like stars, planets and eventually life.

So there you go. The only two possible ways the universe could exist, of which is not possible. Has zero to do with semantics.

Why to you insist on wording your statements as if to say that these inanimate objects have some type of drive to do what they do? They aren't doing anything, it's simply the laws of the universe working.

Originally Posted by Quiksilver [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*SPOILER ALERT*
Tell me, do you feel accomplished once you figured out it was your parents and not Santa Claus? Or finding out that movies are just created using smoke and mirrors? I'm going to state the obvious in saying that these are analogies. Life goes on once you find out that Santa isn't real. But could you say the same once the creator is revealed? (or if there even IS one?)
*END OF SPOILER ALERT*
I take pity on those who do not believe in some form of creator because it's a difficult life. A "believer" can life their life in ruins and suffering but will always have something to fall back on. A "non-believer" cant do that. There is no ground to stand on other than science, which is not enough. We are stupid as the human race and know virtually nothing of our selves (really? you do? why do enzymes behave the way they do?) our planet (really? you do? google the money pit and deep ocean exploration for me then) and our universe.

Billions in cash and lives have been spent searching for all the answers and we continue to come up short. I'll continue to believe in my God, while the others can continue to live their fruitless lives. Why? Because it's easier, that's why. I simply choose not to pursue a meaningless effort.

I am NOT saying that God gives meaning to my life. What He represents is what gives my life meaning. I choose not to pursue where we, planets, and the universe came from because we aren't going to find the answers in our lifetime. It's made that way for a reason.

I've stuck my neck out there, come get some [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you proud to rely so heavily on what amounts to nothing more than a crutch? How is that logical?