Paris Has Just Been Culturally Enriched

[Slax]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No true scotsman.

Serbs in Yugoslavia were forced to convert to Catholicism and if they didn't they were sent to Jasenovac concetration camp and likely killed.

But then they weren't exactly following Christian Scripture then, were they? So these are the evil actions of men, not men following the teachings of Jesus or his Apostles. Christians are clearly commanded to leave people be to their own demise if they don't want to receive The Gospel.

Matthew 10:14 - "Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet."

Compare that with ..

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone"

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day"

Qur'an (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."


I could go on and on and on. There's lots more where that came from in The Qur'an and Hadiths.

[Slax]

And if you want to talk about Nazis, Hitler absolutelydespised Christianity, but Islam on the other hand, he was rather fond of.

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by Slax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But then they weren't exactly following Christian Scripture then, were they? So these are the evil actions of men, not men following the teachings of Jesus or his Apostles. Christians are clearly commanded to leave people be to their own demise if they don't want to receive The Gospel.

Matthew 10:14 - "Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet."

Compare that with ..

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone"

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day"

Qur'an (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."


I could go on and on and on. There's lots more where that came from in The Qur'an and Hadiths.

I think the Bible and the Quaran are the best books ever written - because they mean whatever the fuck the reader wants them to mean.

And I don't know, the pope and archbishops condoning genocide certainly counts as following Christianity to me - at least the flavor known as Catholicism.

As for Hitler and the Nazis, he says some things in which he hates the Church and some in which shows he is a Catholic. Whether or not he did, there were certainly a ton of Catholics who supported the Holocaust as well as German Protestants.

Whether or not they found their inspiration from direct scripture quotes is a bit silly. They definitely thought they were Christians and there are definitely verses that condone killing. Of course I could quote them, but you'll just say it's not meant to be taken literally - even if I find some members of the NDH or Catholic church using them. So essentially you've set up something impossible to prove - the perfect no true scotsman.

[tortue ninja]

Religious people are good, to hire dumb people, they are the best. You have to be brave to say this kind of bullshit.

[Slax]

Ok well either way, do a bit of research on Hitler and you'll see he planned to destroy the church after consolidating power. He also wished the Germanic races had fallen to Islam 8th century, which would have insured they would have dominated the world under "Mohammedanism". This way, you can at least stop saying he was Christian, despite what he said for political purposes. Let's not forget he took power through a free election.

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by Slax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok well either way, do a bit of research on Hitler and you'll see he planned to destroy the church after consolidating power. He also wished the Germanic races had fallen to Islam 8th century, which would have insured they would have dominated the world under "Mohammedanism". This way, you can at least stop saying he was Christian, despite what he said for political purposes. Let's not forget he took power through a free election.

I never said he was a Christian, I said he said some things that were Christian and said some things that weren't. Sounds like you're too ready to do battle rather than listen.

I said there were a lot of Nazis who were Christian though. Hell every single member of the SS was Christian (at least proclaimed) or Muslim (a small number - but you'll note I don't think Islam is a great religion before you go down that road), besides maybe some of the politicians. You had to believe in God or at least claim to to be in SS.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No dude, I'm assuming you aren't Christian. I don't get why you mentioned Christians to begin with was my point.

I'm glad you mentioned the Dutch, why don't you look up what happened to Van Gogh's great-grandnephew. Spoiler alert, Muslims killed him for having an opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_va...lm_director%29

1. The Middle East isn't being modernized. The only places that are getting better are Oman and Tunisia ... neither of those things have anything to do with the West. They have to do with Muslims, thankfully, finally having decent leadership and challenging the bull shit ultra-conservative orthodoxy. Sadly, those two countries make up like 15 million people total out of that 1.6 billion Muslims you mention. The problem is not that all Muslims are "radical," the problem is that large majorities of them think that the death penalty is acceptable for apostasy, that adultery is punishable by stoning, and that women are property. From that cultural baseline, a long line of "radicals," at least from the perspective of a liberal western society, spring forth.

2. Immigration restrictions aren't going to solve the problem, there are already way too many Muslims in Europe. But why continue to let people in who clearly don't have any desire to be a part of secular European society? I'm not trying to ad hominem attack you, I'm honestly just pissed; I for the life of me don't understand how people can not agree 100% that Muslims are dangerous to the rest of us. That doesn't mean they all are, certainly not, but it's starting to be a trend here. I mean holy shit, Boko Haram just completely their conquest of an entire Nigerian state today. Letting in immigrants from these countries, who are so far behind in culture, can do nothing to advance the cause of people already living within them, at least compared to other immigrant groups, like anyone from Latin America, who most likely wouldn't resort to violence. Is what I'm saying really that hard to understand? Is it really that hateful? I think it's logical.... I guess it isn't.

3. Matt Stone and Trey Parker aren't in danger because America has done a much better job assimilating Muslims for two reasons:
a) They weren't the overwhelming immigrant group being allowed in (Muslims are nearer to 1% in America whereas in France they're 6-8% and concentrated in Marseille and Paris, mostly).
b) America has always done better at assimilating people... It's a nation founded by immigration. Europe isn't doing it that well to be honest.
I think we have plenty of instances of Islamic terrorism to prove that we're a target of them as well though.

Better stated. To a point I agree with you on Muslims, but I'm all for allowing immigration with assimilation, quick or slow or forced, a patience; and an understanding that people will die, there will be blood shed, and that all of that isn't in vain if it perpetuates an idea of freedom over security. Free to live, free to die.

[Rivthis]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Free to live, free to die.

Please go die.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Rivthis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please go die.

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[GeorgeCostanza]

yikes, this thread