Shadow knight aggro

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Guesty07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wahhhh everybody is a troll except me wahhhhhh

I hope you understand that the more posts you make like this, the easier it is for people to look at your post history and see how obvious of a troll you are. This isn't hurting me. It's hurting yourself, and the people on this forum who just want to discuss the game mechanics. Why are you bloating threads with nonsense for no reason? Trolling isn't going to convince people you are correct.

[Guesty07]

You are the troll. Nobody else. Everybody reading these fourms knows it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Guesty07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are the troll. Nobody else. Everybody reading these fourms knows it.

I am sorry, but repeating nonsense does not make it true. All you are doing is cluttering your post history with literal trolling. It isn't hurting me or helping you.

[Guesty07]

Everything you say is a projection of your own self on these fourms. You talk nonsense you troll you you clutter up your post history you make yourself look bad

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Guesty07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything you say is a projection of your own self on these fourms. You talk nonsense you troll you you clutter up your post history you make yourself look bad

Remember this?

Originally Posted by Guesty07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wahhhh everybody is a troll except me wahhhhhh

You're the one posting nonsense and trolling. You aren't foolng anybody.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Guesty07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything you say is a projection of your own self on these fourms. You talk nonsense you troll you you clutter up your post history you make yourself look bad

Too bad he'll never recognise this. Wouldn't want him to sink deeper into self-hatred...

[Guesty07]

Neither are you that's the whole point

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I'll put this in the simplest terms possible, as it seems like people don't seem to grasp the concept of a 6 second timer. Or they are trolling. It's hard to tell which at this point. You can test this out in game easily, it isn't difficult to do yourself. This isn't theorycrafting.

Scenario A - Spam Taunt:

1. Press Taunt
2. Taunt fails for whatever reason (bad timing, mob distance, lose the random number game)
3. Switch your style to strategic taunting
4. Wait 6 seconds
5. Press Taunt again
6. Taunt succeeds
7. Continue taunting as necessary (mob flips again, multiple mobs are in camp, etc.)

Scenario B - Strategic Taunt:

1. Press Taunt
2. Taunt fails for whatever reason (bad timing, mob distance, lose the random number game)
3. Switch your style to strategic taunting
4. Wait 6 seconds
5. Press Taunt again
6. Taunt succeeds
7. Continue taunting as necessary (mob flips again, multiple mobs are in camp, etc.)

The only difference between the two scenarios is spamming taunt has a lower chance of success on the first taunt. After that you can switch to strategic taunting for all subsequent taunts until the situation is under control. Nobody is disagreeing with the fact that spamming taunt has a lower chance of success on the first taunt, including myself. Nor have I ever argued otherwise.

The benefit of spamming taunt is it allows you to save APM and/or brain power to focus on other things, while still retaining some benefit. You get +1 hate every 6 seconds, and an 8.33% chance of taunting at the right time. There are multiple posters in this thread who have claimed that they do not use taunt at all. Spamming taunt is certainly better than never using it if you were to pick between the two. A tank who spams taunt is factually generating more agro than a tank who never uses taunt. Putting taunt on an existing macro you are already spamming (bash/slam perhaps) is effortless, and gives you extra agro for free. Due to the cooldown timer of taunt being 6 seconds, you can always switch strategies as necessary. If you as the tank are losing agro every 30 seconds, then you can stop spamming taunt and use it strategically until you can figure out why you are losing agro so often.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll put this in the simplest terms possible, as it seems like people don't seem to grasp the concept of a 6 second timer. Or they are trolling. It's hard to tell which at this point. You can test this out in game easily, it isn't difficult to do yourself. This isn't theorycrafting.

Scenario A - Spam Taunt:

1. Press Taunt
2. Taunt fails for whatever reason (bad timing, mob distance, lose the random number game)
3. Switch your style to strategic taunting
4. Wait 6 seconds
5. Press Taunt again
6. Taunt succeeds
7. Continue taunting as necessary (mob flips again, multiple mobs are in camp, etc.)

Scenario B - Strategic Taunt:

1. Press Taunt
2. Taunt fails for whatever reason (bad timing, mob distance, lose the random number game)
3. Switch your style to strategic taunting
4. Wait 6 seconds
5. Press Taunt again
6. Taunt succeeds
7. Continue taunting as necessary (mob flips again, multiple mobs are in camp, etc.)

The only difference between the two scenarios is spamming taunt has a lower chance of success on the first taunt. After that you can switch to strategic taunting for all subsequent taunts until the situation is under control. Nobody is disagreeing with the fact that spamming taunt has a lower chance of success on the first taunt, including myself. Nor have I ever argued otherwise.

The benefit of spamming taunt is it allows you to save APM and/or brain power to focus on other things, while still retaining some benefit. You get +1 hate every 6 seconds, and an 8.33% chance of taunting at the right time. There are multiple posters in this thread who have claimed that they do not use taunt at all. Spamming taunt is certainly better than never using it if you were to pick between the two. A tank who spams taunt is factually generating more agro than a tank who never uses taunt. Putting taunt on an existing macro you are already spamming (bash/slam perhaps) is effortless, and gives you extra agro for free. Due to the cooldown timer of taunt being 6 seconds, you can always switch strategies as necessary. If you as the tank are losing agro every 30 seconds, then you can stop spamming taunt and use it strategically until you can figure out why you are losing agro so often.

Spamming taunt will more than likely increase APM, it doesn't save it. Next.
+1 hate every 6 seconds is mathematically rounded down to 0 threat. Next.
The majority of knights will not have slam nor will they have an epic equipped for bash if they are using a 2h weapon(which they should for superior dps). Next.
Knights do not get kick. Next.
Using taunt only at the exact moment it is needed is all knights need to do. /thread by greatdane on page 2

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spamming taunt will more than likely increase APM, it doesn't save it. Next.

1. Adding a new line to a macro does not increase APM.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+1 hate every 6 seconds is mathematically rounded down to 0 threat. Next.

2. It's +1 hate and an 8.33% chance to taunt at the correct time without needing to think about it. You cannot simply ignore this fact and pretend it will go away.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The majority of knights will not have slam nor will they have an epic equipped for bash if they are using a 2h weapon(which they should for superior dps). Next.
Knights do not get kick. Next.

3. If you are unable to press a single macro with Taunt/Disarm/Beg on it, you probably aren't going to be pressing taunt at all anyway.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using taunt only at the exact moment it is needed is all knights need to do. /thread by greatdane on page 2

4. I already debunked the claim that "strategic taunting is the only viable method for using taunt" here https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=140 . Taunt spamming is viable too.

You have been proven wrong. Please act like an adult and stop shying away from this fact. It's ok to admit you are wrong sometimes.