Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The other mage pet in that aggregate is an epic mage pet. You think it’s dps is that low too?

Ah I was hoping you would get to that[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Just take a look at the total seconds it fought. It fought for a total of 109 seconds, where you fought for 600 seconds It has like 1/6 of the fight time you and your pet has. For all we know, it could have simply been fighting a bit better than average.

Plus, nobody has argued an Epic Pet will deal more damage than a regular pet. The unfortunate truth is Mage Epics are just really rare. Personally I wouldn't really count Mage Epics, because the chances of you actually grouping with someone who has it is pretty rare. It's much more common to group with a Torpor Shaman, for example.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ps parsers only start when the damage starts. He wasn’t out there flopping mobs into camp. This is crypt where we never had to deal with a pull larger than 2 or 3. You’ll notice we had no rogue so yeah … none of the back room and Emperor was on the menu.

So much for the “he was out pulling” bs.

Without video you can't prove your pull patterns, or how often the Monk was in camp. You yourself said his DPS was lower due to pulling.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See the monk's time engaged and you can see why he was below the SK and lower than me to such a degree; he spent a lot of time not engaged. What you can see is that mage dps is very good. This parse undervalues on the combine by a good 30% as my parse system is not perfect.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without video you can't prove your pull patterns, or how often the Monk was in camp. You yourself said his DPS was lower due to pulling.

Without being in a high level fast-paced-killing DPS group & parsing/recording/etc. you can't prove your Shaman's DPS in a high level fast-paced-killing DPS group. You can type whatever you want (or not hehe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]) it is not going to change this simple fact.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The other mage pet in that aggregate is an epic mage pet. You think it’s dps is that low too?

Just wondering, with this parse, do you ever recall having to zone out for any reason? Or have a mob maybe die too far away from you for the mob dying to write to the log? Not sure if that second one actually happens in the game, if you kill something really far away I know you still get the XP message but idk if you get the indication it died.

I ask because in the parser I whipped up while babying this big ass data migration at work...that was a standout issue that had to be addressed in the data.

I used the first attack after a "so and so has been slain" line to capture the fight start time, then the slain message to capture the end time, but a few of those fights I had to run for whatever reason so it thought the fight was very long skewing the DPS for that "fight" to be extremely low which fucked with the averages.

On one hand the logs in EQ are pretty solid for parsing since the messaging is super uniform, on the other, its easy for shit like that to fuck with the data because it can be difficult to adequately identify when combat "starts" and "ends". For instance, if you have multiple mobs, you have multiple kill messages, knowing when to start capturing data is easy but knowing when to stop can be difficult (i.e. how long you should wait until your parser decides combat is officially "over" and you aren't just waiting for the tank to get aggro on the second mob kind of thing).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just wondering, with this parse, do you ever recall having to zone out for any reason? Or have a mob maybe die too far away from you for the mob dying to write to the log? Not sure if that second one actually happens in the game, if you kill something really far away I know you still get the XP message but idk if you get the indication it died.

I ask because in the parser I whipped up while babying this big ass data migration at work...that was a standout issue that had to be addressed in the data.

I used the first attack after a "so and so has been slain" line to capture the fight start time, then the slain message to capture the end time, but a few of those fights I had to run for whatever reason so it thought the fight was very long skewing the DPS for that "fight" to be extremely low which fucked with the averages.

On one hand the logs in EQ are pretty solid for parsing since the messaging is super uniform, on the other, its easy for shit like that to fuck with the data because it can be difficult to adequately identify when combat "starts" and "ends". For instance, if you have multiple mobs, you have multiple kill messages, knowing when to start capturing data is easy but knowing when to stop can be difficult (i.e. how long you should wait until your parser decides combat is officially "over" and you aren't just waiting for the tank to get aggro on the second mob kind of thing).

You are correct, log data can be lost because the messages only appear at a certain distance. That is why I purposely stayed close to the mobs in my videos, so I didn't lose anything. All parsers just use the log data, so they have the same issue.

Troxx hasn't provided logs, so we don't know if he lost data, or how his parser is handling the data.

[Troxx]

I challenge you to put in the sweat equity. Join a fast moving high dps group. Play pure offense and show us the numbers you can manage fight after fight after fight. Aggregate or break separately all you want. I recommend using a parser. Do the thing you claim you can do.

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But I know you won’t. If you did, I already know what the numbers would show. Maybe you do too which is why you are unwilling.

Until you grow some balls (and preferably a few more brain cells to rub together), you have effectively conceded that you are wrong.

And since you’re wrong … back to amusing GIFs!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I challenge you to put in the sweat equity. Join a fast moving high dps group. Play pure offense and show us the numbers you can manage fight after fight after fight. Aggregate or break separately all you want. I recommend using a parser. Do the thing you claim you can do.

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But I know you won’t. If you did, I already know what the numbers would show. Maybe you do too which is why you are unwilling.

Until you grow some balls (and preferably a few more brain cells to rub together), you have effectively conceded that you are wrong.

And since you’re wrong … back to amusing GIFs!

You first[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You need to provide evidence that matches your own standards before I provide evidence that matches your standards. So far you are missing a lot of data, and you know it.

My video/log evidence trumps your parse data you claim is wrong.

I see you didn't respond to what I said, and are instead going back to copy/paste.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see you didn't respond to what I said

Hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I challenge you to put in the sweat equity. Join a fast moving high dps group. Play pure offense and show us the numbers you can manage fight after fight after fight. Aggregate or break separately all you want. I recommend using a parser. Do the thing you claim you can do.

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But I know you won’t. If you did, I already know what the numbers would show. Maybe you do too which is why you are unwilling.

Until you grow some balls (and preferably a few more brain cells to rub together), you have effectively conceded that you are wrong.

And since you’re wrong … back to amusing GIFs!

[Troxx]

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[Troxx]

Yeah parser is great for individual fights but it gets weird with aggregate. I almost regret posting the aggregate with the explanation. It was a mistake because DSM is apparently unintelligent and basic reading comprehension and abstract reasoning is beyond him.