All of you: Please vote for Donald Trump

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying that people should just be happy with the table scraps they're receiving as compensation for working 40 or more hours a week while corporations reap record breaking profits?

Wrong form of positive buddy

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like how conservatives are like, 'no trust me it's a long game, I know we've been in financial ruin it for the last 30 years but trust me it's the best system and it will work if you just keep letting it do exactly what it is already doing without bothering it at all'

It's Reaganomics 101. They keep getting richer, and the rest of us keep getting poorer.

[Charlievox]

American companies actually get a tax credit to help defray the costs of moving their plants overseas.
But funny how when they cut their labor costs by 90%, the retail prices of the stuff the still sell here don't go down,
Where do you suppose all that extra money goes?
But you still justify outcourcing because you think it will help you buy cheaper stuff.
And of course, you want to buy cheaper stuff because your non union job in your right to work for less state pays you such shit wages.

For those that don't remember, the greatest period of economic growth in the last century, occurred at a time when income taxes on the wealthiest Americans were at an all time high and union membership among American workers was also at an all time high and we had a thriving middle class.

But the Corporate bosses don't want a thriving middle class. They want us fighting over pennies so we won't notice that they are robbing the bank.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

an economy that's being anally raped by fiscal conservatism.

What do you mean by this? Are you arguing that the government should spend more, tax more, or both? Right now, the US has a larger debt to income ratio than any other state with the exception of perhaps Greece. Not sure where they sit after their third bailout though... That is not conservative fiscal policy.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not conservative fiscal policy.

lol. how glib of you.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Charlievox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where do you suppose all that extra money goes?

Shareholders, the bank, investments... What would you do with it?

How about this, Suppose you commute to work via automobile, but realize you can cut costs by taking the bus. Are you going to cut the price of your labor to pass along the savings to your customer(s)? Why not?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shareholders, the bank, investments... What would you do with it?

Pay it out to the workforce so that you can increase your consumer base and make more money? I'm calling it the trickle-up-effect.

[Charlievox]

up until the advent of Reaganomics, growth in wages almost exactly mirrored the growth in corporate earnings.
If that trend had continued over the last thirty years, the average houry wage would now be around $75 an hour. But in fact, the average hourly wage has seen almost no growth at all in that time.

[nhdjoseywales]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Examples? Let's see if we can figure this out together ^^

Stream which was owned by Bain Capital took a lot of jobs from Memphis TN, a right to work state and non union too and shipped them to india. A couple hundred of us lost our jobs and flooded the memphis area with high talent tech workers which only further drove down wages here.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you mean by this? Are you arguing that the government should spend more, tax more, or both? Right now, the US has a larger debt to income ratio than any other state with the exception of perhaps Greece. Not sure where they sit after their third bailout though... That is not conservative fiscal policy.

US fiscal conservatives are not spendthrifts. Like I said before, in spite of their rhetoric they just spend differently (Defense, medicare, agriculture subsidies, etc). With our status as a reserve currency, it works in our interest to accrue a healthy amount of debt. That is not the case with other countries, and will change as soon as other powers are able to mount an effective challenge to the dollar.
Perhaps we have too much debt, but what you need to understand is that it isn't a Democrat-Republican issue. Both sides are equally capable of fiscal irresponsibility. Don't forget who ran it up so high in the first place. In California, after so many years of Schwarzenegger, it took Jerry fucking Brown, a Democrat, to get our budget under control.

The government should absolutely tax more and spend more, but intelligently and honorably. Unfortunately, with the current state of corruption that has permeated both sides of our political system, this is not possible. Taxing and spending have simply become means with which to plunder the country. Compare this to places with functional institutions, such as Denmark, Germany, Canada, etc, and I don't see how you can embrace American-style conservative economics. These places hardly even have higher taxes than we do, it's just that instead of spending tax dollars on flying helicopters around Afghanistan, they spend it on universal healthcare, tuition, labor benefits, infrastructure, etc, which are all evil things to the American right.