Wizards! Do you regret it?

[jarshale]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have my personal code and... tl;dr

Are you for real? This can't be.

[Weezard]

Wizards are not good in groups. Period. Exclamation point. Do they have some minor benefits? Yes. But the fact of the matter is that in 99.9% of the common grouping experience areas of the game, DPS is the only thing that matters. Consistent pulls + higher sustained DPS = no use for mana inefficient wizards. This is indisputable fact. There's a reason that high level wizards are few and far between. They aren't very fun to play and their usefulness in groups is extremely lacking.

Are you ready for the two most important spells that a wizard gets? They're the only two spells that actually make them a necessary class in the game.

1) Alter Plane : Hate
2) Alter Plane : Sky

Case closed.

[Tiggles]

I would like to reintroduce you guys to this thread.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=39590

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Weezard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizards are not good in groups. Period. Exclamation point. Do they have some minor benefits? Yes. But the fact of the matter is that in 99.9% of the common grouping experience areas of the game, DPS is the only thing that matters. Consistent pulls + higher sustained DPS = no use for mana inefficient wizards. This is indisputable fact. There's a reason that high level wizards are few and far between. They aren't very fun to play and their usefulness in groups is extremely lacking.

Are you ready for the two most important spells that a wizard gets? They're the only two spells that actually make them a necessary class in the game.

1) Alter Plane : Hate
2) Alter Plane : Sky

Case closed.

Wizard especially known to be terrible on fights like Venril Sathir or... oh any raid boss.

[Decad]

Originally Posted by Weezard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizards are not good in groups. Period. Exclamation point. Do they have some minor benefits? Yes. But the fact of the matter is that in 99.9% of the common grouping experience areas of the game, DPS is the only thing that matters. Consistent pulls + higher sustained DPS = no use for mana inefficient wizards. This is indisputable fact. There's a reason that high level wizards are few and far between. They aren't very fun to play and their usefulness in groups is extremely lacking.

Are you ready for the two most important spells that a wizard gets? They're the only two spells that actually make them a necessary class in the game.

1) Alter Plane : Hate
2) Alter Plane : Sky

Case closed.

With reference to your 1st paragraph :-

I agree with you. You are spot on.

With reference to your 2nd paragraph :-

I remembered this game is meant to relive the classic EQ experience. If that is indeed the case, try raiding Kunark bosses and Velious bosses without wizards.

However if this game is NOT meant to relive the classic EQ experience then I agree with you absolutely.

[Zuranthium]

Everyone has different personal preferences and everyone wants to go about their business in different ways, to a degree.

Some people dislike overly twinking because it's bad for the overall game and lower level community and other people don't care about that and want the power rush for themselves and/or only care about the higher levels and want to rush to get there.

Some people will not group with a person because they find them to be a nasty individual and other people don't care and will group with whoever is available.

Some people hate playing melee characters and won't do it and other people love it.

Yes, everyone has a personal code, whatever it may be. Even if you don't overtly think about it or proclaim it.

[BelenosThePagan]

Belenos' personal code: Not that big a fuckin deal to throw a sow up on someone. and a /thank is payment enough

[RiffDaemon]

I understand where Zura's coming from. I don't get to play very much - like, hardly at all. When I get a spare two hours to do something, I'd like to spend that time advancing (i.e. grinding) if at all possible. When I run around SoW'ing everyone, my manatank is on empty by the time I get where I want to be. Then, I have to wait for it all to come back, buff myself to Hell, and wait for it all to come back again before I can start killing anything. So, I end up spending most of my time sitting down and staring at my spellbook .. figuratively speaking, of course.

However, my character is a mushy teddy-bear of a troll who loves to help everyone whenever possible, and that's part of my enjoyment of playing the game. Hell, I ran from the farside of the pit in OT all the way to Skyfire to give someone a SoW, and I ended up dying from a high-level tiger that spawned on top of me, losing almost half an orange of xp in the process. That sucked, and it sure wasn't an efficient use of my time; but, I'll do it again and again if someone asks.

I don't expect that out of everyone; that's MY personal code. Zura has his own code and his own expectations, and that sounds perfectly fine to me.

[soup]

Originally Posted by RiffDaemon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand where Zura's coming from. I don't get to play very much - like, hardly at all. When I get a spare two hours to do something, I'd like to spend that time advancing (i.e. grinding) if at all possible. When I run around SoW'ing everyone, my manatank is on empty by the time I get where I want to be. Then, I have to wait for it all to come back, buff myself to Hell, and wait for it all to come back again before I can start killing anything. So, I end up spending most of my time sitting down and staring at my spellbook .. figuratively speaking, of course.

However, my character is a mushy teddy-bear of a troll who loves to help everyone whenever possible, and that's part of my enjoyment of playing the game. Hell, I ran from the farside of the pit in OT all the way to Skyfire to give someone a SoW, and I ended up dying from a high-level tiger that spawned on top of me, losing almost half an orange of xp in the process. That sucked, and it sure wasn't an efficient use of my time; but, I'll do it again and again if someone asks.

I don't expect that out of everyone; that's MY personal code. Zura has his own code and his own expectations, and that sounds perfectly fine to me.

"Personal code" crap aside, what I took issue with wasn't the reluctance to freely SOW people, but rather the fact that he seems to think it's "flat-out rude to ask for a buff without offering something in return." If someone thinks it's rude when someone politely asks for something without offering a BJ in return, the person who thinks it's rude has got be one pretentious fucker.

[RiffDaemon]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If someone thinks it's rude when someone politely asks for something without offering a BJ in return, the person who thinks it's rude has got be one pretentious fucker.

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