Project 1999 Pantheon Pledge Drive!

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

McQuaid is a cancer. His mismanagement of Vanguard led to the past seven years of WoW-clones. Industry executives saw that even with his cache, a non-WoW game was not worth the risk. He did this. He's the reason the whole genre sucks.

Regardless of the your opinions of McQuaid, the fact is you are still playing his game over a decade later and that speaks to his abilities to create and undercuts yours to criticize. Whether he can pull it off, I think, will be one of if not the most defining moment of his career, if for no other reason than to shut up the Vanguard naysayers.

But imo the bigger picture is being ignored here. The more attention Pantheon receives, while it is in the building stages, the more P99 can expect a population increase both from new players bored with soloable MMORPGs and old returning players who miss group-oriented gameplay. And for what new players P99 stands to gain these rewards seem almost negligible in the long-term.

If you think this is a step back from classic EQ, well, technically so are frog-pots and earthquakes. Personally, I've lost absolutely zero sleep over these things, sorry if you did. And there have also been week-long DDOS attacks and sudden hamster deaths, which I think we all lost sleep over. But if anything, these things have made the server more memorable and added a specific charm to it, classic or not.

Anyway, more recently there have been a lot of veteran classic players arriving on the scene who never heard about P99 before Pantheon, despite previous community efforts to get the word out. And, should Pantheon get off the ground as far as funding goes, I imagine this server could expect more of the same, possibly even seeing classic-era population numbers. Who's going to QQ about a few leftover XP pots / guises floating around at that point?

Again, thinking long-term here.

Pantheon is the long overdue publicity this server deserves. And afaik, it's also the best option for classic trilogy fans in the foreseeable future. If or rather when McQuaid's team recaptures that old addictive magic, P99 will have, with this decision, played a role in helping bring the MMORPG genre back to its roots. What's not to like about this becoming more and more of a RL group effort (SotA included)? It's what the genre itself encourages or at least used to. It's just all around good for the currently lackluster, undifferentiated MMORPG genre as a whole. And once Velious content has been thoroughly plowed through on here and server-wide interest wanes, who knows? We might just actually have a fresh, dynamic, ass-kicking, stretegy-based game to play together, instead of another insta-grat playground which will eventually deteriorate into a virtual refugee camp.

Pantheon isn't the P99 staff's game. They are gamers just as much as we are, only they're the ones holding the keys to the kingdom just as McQuaid will once again imo.

/assist Pantheon

[Renem]

All the folks threatening to leave over this.
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[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless of the your opinions of McQuaid, the fact is you are still playing his game over a decade later and that speaks to his abilities to create and undercuts yours to criticize.

Now let's talk about what he's done in the last decade...

[Leeyuuduu]

Originally Posted by impact [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I for one am tired of supporting games before they are even finished. It's total B.S. Games should not be even for sale until they are finished, polished, working correctly, full games. More and more we see this, buy the game before it's finished B.S. NOPE. Finish the game, I will take a look at it, and if it interests me THEN I will support the fucking game. Don't ask me to support some game that I have no idea what it will be like, and I may end up hating it. Why would anyone do that? Derp a herp a

I think it really depends.

If the game is coming from a major company, then yes, it's just a way to milk more cash and it's really despicable to see major companies breaking up games into little pieces and selling each piece individually for retarded prices, when all that content should really just be in one finished and polished package.

But times are hard for non-mainstream games who refuse to be "everything to everyone" because it's almost impossible for them to attract any official funding and even if they do publishers will shove a whole list of demands down their throats.

The kickstarter way of doing things may not be ideal but if these indie developers didn't have the option of crowd-funding then what you would see is just more DLC/RMT whoring games, not less.

[Mac Dretti]

If i Join the special forum group and get colored name, does it transfer if I get forum banned?

serious question

[Mehrk]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL;dr, support crowdfunded projects, especially ones that are targeted for your play-style like Pantheon is.

Not good advice. In fact you should never donate money to something with so little information about it unless you are loaded. 60$? Ok, sure, if you really think it through beforehand. Something no one has done by this point as they are still releasing information - important information, mind you - about the game daily, meaning everyone who donates before the KS is about over is retarded or gullible. 5k? Hell no. Give your money away for something you may like, but probably won't because in the end it will either become vaporware or the developer is going to get ramrodded by a publisher and end up turning their game into slop? 800k isn't likely enough to make the game, it's just bait for potential investors to show that their game may be worth making. Investors that will shove their proverbial D up Brad's literal A. I respect and love the fact that they aren't intending on making another cloned themepark but there are hundreds of MMOs that aren't WoW clones that also ended up sucking. If you fund a game based on that alone you'd be broke.

Simple fact is you can't assume it's going to be the best game ever because of who is making it. Using the tag line of "From the guy who made EQ!" is about as helpful as ".... and also Vanguard." is hurtful. Vanguard wasn't complete shit, but it was more or less unplayable for people who weren't very selective and obsessive about their games. I think I saw like 30 people in the 5 hours I spent playing the game on launch day before I quit. Needless to say loads of issues aside from population. That is what investing in something gets you most of the time. I pre-ordered thinking OMFG THE REAL EQ2 HAS COME and only played it for 1 or 2 days before I uninstalled along with 2 friends who were equally upset. Tried again like 2 years later and it was somehow even more quiet. After a few days of grinding I felt like I would never have anyone to play with so just said F it.

I wish Pantheon's team the best and hope they succeed in "the real EQ2" as much as anyone. I just don't see how it should affect individual donors in a major way. I think most people would have been totally fine with global bonuses like a few events with minor bonuses for donors. Minor. Not incredibly OP regen items that you have practically no chance of ever being able to buy (with plat, anyway. Apparently dollars works.) or an entire week to do removed/difficult quests and farm items with little competition in velious.

Bribing people into donating, which you are, even if you say it's a raffle or reward or incentive or whatever you want to call it.. it's just wrong.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now let's talk about what he's done in the last decade...

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether he can pull it off, I think, will be one of if not the most defining moment of his career, if for no other reason than to shut up the Vanguard naysayers.

[Sektor]

Originally Posted by Mac Dretti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If i Join the special forum group and get colored name, does it transfer if I get forum banned?

serious question

loled

[JackFlash]

Originally Posted by Wildino [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What next ? A movie cost money to make so we need spectators to donate and also help write the story ...

Have you heard of Next Alpha? You can pay to help create the game!

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm curious as to why the tiers listed in regards to Project 1999 incentives or rewards are not aligned with the Pantheon crowdsourcing tiers. They use $1,000 and $3,000, then straight to $10,000 yet here is is $1,000 to $5,000. Why not make that last tier a $3,000 tier also, with the rewards being the same?

Two projects I have pledged to.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...rce-death-star

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...generation-rts