Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[heelyaz89]

I prolly shouldn't get into this, but back in the "classic" everquest days it was not considered cool to come up and gank a mob that someone else had just spent all the time clearing to. This would have gotten you a one way ticket to server-wide disdain. Seems like common courtesy is just a myth in p99 tho [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All in all seems more like the word "competition" is just a way to cover your asses and make yah feel better bout urselves :P

I have to say that issues like this do not offer a positive image of the p99 community. Suck it up and play nice children omg !!

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by heelyaz89 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I prolly shouldn't get into this, but back in the "classic" everquest days it was not considered cool to come up and gank a mob that someone else had just spent all the time clearing to. This would have gotten you a one way ticket to server-wide disdain.

You don't already see the server-wide disdain here?

Originally Posted by Treats

Jesus fucking christ. What guild DOES NOT have to worry about TR is doing when their mindset is to get the loots at all costs no matter what the situation. You just said it yourself. You sniped Draco from BDA/Divinty. That isn't competiton, thats completely fucked up.

So you kill him and offer the loot to them because "you don't need it." I suppose you can pat yourselves on the back for this. The thought of "Hey lets give these guys a shot at Draco/CT tonight, they will probably drop loot we don't really need anyway. They never really get a chance to kill any of the more difficult raid encounters here because we always beat them, but they beat us here tonight so lets just go" does not even cross any of your minds. Not even for one split fucking second.

(bolded the part that would be nice on this server from that guild, but probably just a pipe dream)

[druziil]

This seems like a fun post to be in!

This server is full of childish behavior. If you want the other kids toy dump sand on his head then take it. TMO and TR for the most part have this as their MO. But hey we are all here to relive our youth so why not act like brats.

BDA doesn't game like this and we don't let the peole who do bother us. We don't have a zerg force but still manage to kill content that the majority of the server hasn't or can't. On last night's restart who killed a kunark dragon? BDA did. We got lucky the reset came during one of our predetermend raid time. Maybe 1 Fay kill is unimpresive to you sparkly sockshitters but that didn't make it anyless fun. Especially when we down ot first atempt with 23 people (and maybe 4 of those being 60s).

As we continue to get levels and more experience we will go toe to toe with anyone if the situation allows it.

Take Cazic as another example. BDA and Div team up for fear break and clear. TR , happy to step on the backs of the huddled masses to propell themselves to P99 legendom, zone in with twice our force, start to kill some things and train others (even once through our raid) and zerg kill draco, and then "snipe" (as they label it) Cazic. Is this respectable behavior? Not in my eyes. Lets face it giving away your rotting garbage does not a Robin Hood make. Divinty may have been intimidated by your appearence in zone enough that they bail to do something else. But BDA stuck around and made FTE, with the misfourtune of our two pullers getting double DTed you get your kill. Grats to you. You see us running to RnF?. Not really because it is a waste of time to try to become you. We play our way. So do you and so does TMO. There is no right or wrong way to play this game only the way you enjoy it. Are you guys enjoying it?



The only truly dissapointing thing that happened last night was the shit in SolB. Both Taken and TR engage a mob with characters they know should be banished during the fight. Some know it's been bugged and others were hoping it was. This is exploiting in my opinion and should be looked into by the staff.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

No I am saying it struck me as odd he said that when it dropped. It is entirely possible it was an offhand comment being that they were after said item, but I would expect people to guess about a CoF. I asked and was told I only linked it in guild so there are only a few explanations some harmless, some not. I am not claiming any GM involvement or Xzerion or whatever crap you come up with. So it came down to he knew because:

He didn't he just had a lucky guess or made an offhand remark that hit the target.
He asked someone what dropped and got a reply fast, I mean almost as fast as it took me to link it using the link all button.
He saw our guildchat.
He knew what the mob had.

I was just wondering out loud, how did he know? And edit: Swarws just answered someone said it in say, but I didn't see it, but will check fraps we had. I remember doing a /who and seeing what 17 or so TR in zone but I also know 12 people running from zone-in doesn't count.

[Swarws]

Fingers of FURY.... Ask Loke's wife...


Edit.. We got ---> 12 <---- of the team online.. Its time to slay the dragon..

I 100% can kill Nagafen with 12 or less people.. Hell Ill do it with 6.. and fuck i can hold Nagafen with 3 people all day till more run from zone in..

Perfect Creature

[Loke]

I wasn't paying attention to say, but I just looked at my logs and no one said anything in say. It was linked in our guild chat by someone other than Swarws which is where he must have gotten it:

[Sun Aug 14 00:58:42 2011] [player's name] tells the guild, 'Blight, Hammer of the ScourgeHierophant`s CrookTreasure Hunter`s Satchel'

For a comparison of time:

[Sun Aug 14 00:57:19 2011] Lord Nagafen has been slain by Mobu!

So we found out about loot approximately a minute and a half after he was killed.

Edited the name out because I I'm not sure if it could some how be linked to someone in your guild who told that person - don't wanna put anyone on blast or get anyone in trouble for sharing info.

As far as what went down - I actually had FTE (was first and only person hit by initial fire based AE, was feared, and first melee hits were on Mcjagger. I can pull the logs of that too if you want, but need to go pick up a friend from the bars in a minute so not gonna do it now. I was grouped with a bard and two clerics, all 52 and under (which is more than enough to engage with considering we had at least 20 in zone enroute to the lair).

Disclaimer: the rest of this post is all personal opinion - I don't speak for anyone in TR but myself, but this is my perspective of what went down at naggy...

Honestly Shaere, for what seemed like the majority (definitely the vocal majority) going to Naggy was less about getting Naggy and more about messing with you (this is just the members I heard in TS, I can't speak for the leadership). Naggy and Vox really aren't that high up on our list of mobs to kill, and the turn out for them is generally weak. We went straight from Gore to Vox, from what I think was 41 at Gore, less than half of those people bothered to switch over for Vox (due to general disinterest from what I could tell). However, when the guild whose guild leader is on these forums day in and day out blaming TR for everything wrong with this server and bad mouthing its membership, it is understandable that a large portion of our member base was excited at the prospect of fucking with you.

Even after you blatantly KS'd what was (according to the current rules) our mob, a lot of people were pushing our leadership (who seemed reluctant given the loot) to petition not necessarily because we wanted the loot, but again, to mess with you. Although, again, a petition was completely justified as there is zero doubt in my mind that we had FTE since I was the player on the character (Jhahl) who actually got FTE - I was the only person in the lair and like I said, my logs show that I was the only person hit by the initial AE - and if you don't want to count the AE, again, Mcjagger was the first person to be engaged in melee after I was feared (he was the bard in my group).

Notice how we worked with BDA on a Naggy, or tonight, after sniping Draco, we offered the loot to the other guilds in the zone because we didn't need it. It is because those guilds aren't blowing up these forums spitting hate and disdain our way. Yea, when a target is up, we roll into the zone and if it isn't engaged, we're going to do everything in our power to engage it as soon as possible - but that leads back to the fact that we're competitive and like the prospect of racing other guilds to get the kill - it is why we raid. Like I said with Draco tonight - BDA and Div were in zone and we ended up getting it - not because we dislike those guilds (quite the contrary actually), but because we like to raid.

Maybe if you spent more time focusing on you and your guild and a bit less on what TR is doing, we wouldn't be so motivated by the prospect of messing with you - hell, maybe you'd even find that most of us are generally laid back people who aren't out to fuck anyone over, we're just out to play the game and have a good time.

EDIT: Logs of me being only one in range for first AE...

[Sun Aug 14 00:55:55 2011] Tixel tells the guild, 'He isnt agro yet'
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:02 2011] Item is out of charges.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:02 2011] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 500 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:02 2011] Your ultravision fades.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:07 2011] Kenjo tells the guild, 'LFG'
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:09 2011] You lose control of yourself!
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:09 2011] You flee in terror.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:13 2011] Ilvx's spell fizzles!
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:14 2011] Ilvx begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:16 2011] Wobble begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:16 2011] Lord Nagafen claws Mcjagger for 192 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:16 2011] Lord Nagafen bashes Mcjagger for 87 points of damage.

What it would have looked like had anyone else been in range:

[Sun Aug 07 16:46:07 2011] Bigsandwich's body combusts as the lava hits them..
[Sun Aug 07 16:46:07 2011] Mcjagger's body combusts as the lava hits them..
[Sun Aug 07 16:46:07 2011] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 500 points of damage.

So yea, pretty sure that counts as Taken blatantly KSing TR.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasn't paying attention to say, but I just looked at my logs and no one said anything in say. It was linked in our guild chat by someone other than Swarws which is where he must have gotten it:

[Sun Aug 14 00:58:42 2011] [player's name] tells the guild, 'Blight, Hammer of the ScourgeHierophant`s CrookTreasure Hunter`s Satchel'

For a comparison of time:

[Sun Aug 14 00:57:19 2011] Lord Nagafen has been slain by Mobu!

So we found out about loot approximately a minute and a half after he was killed.

Edited the name out because I I'm not sure if it could some how be linked to someone in your guild who told that person - don't wanna put anyone on blast or get anyone in trouble for sharing info.

As far as what went down - I actually had FTE (was first and only person hit by initial fire based AE, was feared, and first melee hits were on Mcjagger. I can pull the logs of that too if you want, but need to go pick up a friend from the bars in a minute so not gonna do it now. I was grouped with a bard and two clerics, all 52 and under (which is more than enough to engage with considering we had at least 20 in zone enroute to the lair).

Disclaimer: the rest of this post is all personal opinion - I don't speak for anyone in TR but myself, but this is my perspective of what went down at naggy...

Honestly Shaere, for what seemed like the majority (definitely the vocal majority) going to Naggy was less about getting Naggy and more about messing with you (this is just the members I heard in TS, I can't speak for the leadership). Naggy and Vox really aren't that high up on our list of mobs to kill, and the turn out for them is generally weak. We went straight from Gore to Vox, from what I think was 41 at Gore, less than half of those people bothered to switch over for Vox (due to general disinterest from what I could tell). However, when the guild whose guild leader is on these forums day in and day out blaming TR for everything wrong with this server and bad mouthing its membership, it is understandable that a large portion of our member base was excited at the prospect of fucking with you.

Even after you blatantly KS'd what was (according to the current rules) our mob, a lot of people were pushing our leadership (who seemed reluctant given the loot) to petition not necessarily because we wanted the loot, but again, to mess with you. Although, again, a petition was completely justified as there is zero doubt in my mind that we had FTE since I was the player on the character (Jhahl) who actually got FTE - I was the only person in the lair and like I said, my logs show that I was the only person hit by the initial AE - and if you don't want to count the AE, again, Mcjagger was the first person to be engaged in melee after I was feared (he was the bard in my group).

Notice how we worked with BDA on a Naggy, or tonight, after sniping Draco, we offered the loot to the other guilds in the zone because we didn't need it. It is because those guilds aren't blowing up these forums spitting hate and disdain our way. Yea, when a target is up, we roll into the zone and if it isn't engaged, we're going to do everything in our power to engage it as soon as possible - but that leads back to the fact that we're competitive and like the prospect of racing other guilds to get the kill - it is why we raid. Like I said with Draco tonight - BDA and Div were in zone and we ended up getting it - not because we dislike those guilds (quite the contrary actually), but because we like to raid.

Maybe if you spent more time focusing on you and your guild and a bit less on what TR is doing, we wouldn't be so motivated by the prospect of messing with you - hell, maybe you'd even find that most of us are generally laid back people who aren't out to fuck anyone over, we're just out to play the game and have a good time.

In other words, Loke is saying that TR is just a bunch of dicks that like "messing" with folks trying for raid mobs and items that TR doesnt even need, but wants to race them to for the sake of showing the server the size of their joint e-peen. I guess your personal opinion is in line with the reality! Thanks for the clarification.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In other words, Loke is saying that TR is just a bunch of dicks that like "messing" with folks trying for raid mobs and items that TR doesnt even need, but wants to race them to for the sake of showing the server the size of their joint e-peen. I guess your personal opinion is in line with the reality! Thanks for the clarification.

No, we're a bunch of "dicks" that like messing with SHAERE.. subtle difference. "Folks" aren't on these forums every day shitting on us. Also, it is hilarious that someone from TMO would comment here given your guilds apparent strategy of "after wipe, have 1 or 2 people try to engage and get FTE as TR engages".. think it has happened what, 3 or 4 times now? Also, sick 15 minute Sev pull today. I think I could circle the entire zone of EJ three or four times in the time it took you to "pull" (see: kite) Sev after engaging with 7 players in the zone. How'd that work out for you?

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Notice how we worked with BDA on a Naggy, or tonight, after sniping Draco, we offered the loot to the other guilds in the zone because we didn't need it. It is because those guilds aren't blowing up these forums spitting hate and disdain our way. Yea, when a target is up, we roll into the zone and if it isn't engaged, we're going to do everything in our power to engage it as soon as possible - but that leads back to the fact that we're competitive and like the prospect of racing other guilds to get the kill - it is why we raid. Like I said with Draco tonight - BDA and Div were in zone and we ended up getting it - not because we dislike those guilds (quite the contrary actually), but because we like to raid.

Maybe if you spent more time focusing on you and your guild and a bit less on what TR is doing, we wouldn't be so motivated by the prospect of messing with you - hell, maybe you'd even find that most of us are generally laid back people who aren't out to fuck anyone over, we're just out to play the game and have a good time.

Jesus fucking christ. What guild DOES NOT have to worry about TR is doing when their mindset is to get the loots at all costs no matter what the situation. You just said it yourself. You sniped Draco from BDA/Divinty. That isn't competiton, thats completely fucked up.

So you kill him and offer the loot to them because "you don't need it." I suppose you can pat yourselves on the back for this. The thought of "Hey lets give these guys a shot at Draco/CT tonight, they will probably drop loot we don't really need anyway. They never really get a chance to kill any of the more difficult raid encounters here because we always beat them, but they beat us here tonight so lets just go" does not even cross any of your minds. Not even for one split fucking second.

IB/TR or whatever you want to call it started this shit a long time ago, sniping targets out from under people. Once other guilds found a way to counter this by sitting at the spawn point they were not very happy. Hence the current raid scene we have on P99.

[Lostprophets]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So yea, pretty sure that counts as Taken blatantly KSing TR.

Well, since you guys turned a server chat thread into a shit storm, I will add my Two Cents in here too.

How can a guild KS when you have 4 people, count it FOUR people in zone as we move up to engage? once our 29 was in aggro range and getting feared (not dying mind you) with your four people that's when the rest of your force started to run up past us. That right there makes me want to pull out and dust off the old (out-dated) First 15 card on y'all, or even say that you guys attempted to KS US and Failed, failed hard at that.

I was there, I got feared right away on my level 51 alt and saw all of your straggling members running in from the ramp leading to the room with 4 FG's in it after we cleared the FGs. As for the 4 that wanted to play the cool kids and try to leapfrog us, that's no where near raid force, let alone having a full guild engaged...that's just down right Douchebaggary.


Another thing I'm wondering now is, after getting confirmation from fraps if we ONLY linked the loot in /gu how does Swarws know literally at the same exact time what dropped and say give the bag up or we'll mark as "KS"? I can only imagine some things but I'm not going to get into that and stoop to your level.

Anyway, I got a feeling your all just mad Taken is getting targets now and beat you to something, so you're trying to chalk up the matter and try to switch the tables and say we're the bad guys..? I don't think so.

Put away the tin foil hats, come back to reality and accept your loss like big kids.

Better luck next time.

- Lostprophets