Mage pet nerf 100% bot now....

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Toothed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean pretty much everything you named was done on live but ok

Oh for sure it was. But not right off the bat. Most of those things didn’t become as common until Velious (similar to Ench charm soloing) because it took time for everyone to figure out the strategies, mechanics, meta methods, etc.

But at any rate, if you were to say “no I remember those occurring before Velious” you might be right and my memory might be incorrect. Or my memory might correct or yours might be wrong. Or our servers could have quite literally been completely different in terms of what the player base was doing (that wasn’t uncommon back in the classic era). Point being, saying “I remember it being this way” or “I know it was this way” doesn’t really mean anything because someone else could have a completely different recollection or experience.

[bomaroast]

I played a magician back in the day, and I've been saying that magician pets were overpowered for as long as I've been on P99. The lower level pets still are. The defensive tables are wrong.

[loramin]

You guys keep pretending like charming requires some amazing feat of brilliance, some super secret technique, or some rare magical item. It doesn't.

A Druid in their teens (with no gob ring) can run themselves out to South Karana, charm elephants, and make them kill each other, using just two spells from their spell list: Charm and Invis. And here on P99, they can get significantly better XP doing it than they can by root/rotting.

You can't tell me (well, you can, but I won't buy it) that ... with literally thousands of Druids playing on live, all of whom (like all EQ players) desperately wanted to level faster ... none of them ever tried using two of the spells Verant gave them together. But unlike here, Druids on live didn't (by a huge majority at least) stick with it ... perhaps because P99 isn't properly emulating live, and charming is lower risk and/or higher reward than it was on live ...

[Snaggles]

I know this is EQ and we all prop up weird strawman arguments for Class A vs Class B but charming doesnt really affect mages at all unless you're using puppet strings.

I know this may be shocking in 2021 but things werent fair in 1999. Some classes just had issues and the dev's response was essentially "deal with it and pay us the monthly sub".

Mages:
* Great pets, equal and more versatile than a necro. Can buy stacks of the regent for next to nothing off a vendor.
* Good nukes for non-raid stuff. Higher burst dps than necro by far
* Best damage shield
* Mala/malaise (get an orb of tashan and a midnight mallet, figure it out)
* mod rods, coth, summons, etc

It's a solid mid performer to high performer depending on what you are doing with it. Even with a 62 hitting, fairly tanky, backstabbing pet nothing to sneeze at.

Would I like another 70 hitting 210 backstabbing water pet? Hell ya. Will I sack my toon and use the proceeds to gear out another alt? No way.

[Scalem]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't tell me (well, you can, but I won't buy it) that ... with literally thousands of Druids playing on live, all of whom (like all EQ players) desperately wanted to level faster ... none of them ever tried using two of the spells Verant gave them together.

Prove it, prove that not a single one of those thousands of druids ever used charm to level.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys keep pretending like charming requires some amazing feat of brilliance, some super secret technique, or some rare magical item. It doesn't.

A Druid in their teens (with no gob ring) can run themselves out to South Karana, charm elephants, and make them kill each other, using just two spells from their spell list: Charm and Invis. And here on P99, they can get significantly better XP doing it than they can by root/rotting.

You can't tell me (well, you can, but I won't buy it) that ... with literally thousands of Druids playing on live, all of whom (like all EQ players) desperately wanted to level faster ... none of them ever tried using two of the spells Verant gave them together. But unlike here, Druids on live didn't (by a huge majority at least) stick with it ... perhaps because P99 isn't properly emulating live, and charming is lower risk and/or higher reward than it was on live ...

Druid charming is also more risky because you can’t tash so it’s not really relevant to this discussion.

At any rate, again charming was more dangerous because for the most part live was laggy and slow as heck due to internet speeds and computer tech. In 1999 a charm break was essentially a death sentence because things were so laggy you couldn’t instantly react (and no one used clickies to get rid of the GCD as part of a min max strategy to be able to lock the mob down even quicker). You willfully ignore all kinds of other reasons why in 1999 it may not have been as prevalent as it is on P99 (by Velious people were charm soloing everywhere)…you’re just arguing in bad faith at this point because you have no evidence and don’t want to acknowledge other possibilities than the one you want to see happen.

[Sabin76]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druid charming is also more risky because you can’t tash so it’s not really relevant to this discussion.

At any rate, again charming was more dangerous because for the most part live was laggy and slow as heck due to internet speeds and computer tech. In 1999 a charm break was essentially a death sentence because things were so laggy you couldn’t instantly react (and no one used clickies to get rid of the GCD as part of a min max strategy to be able to lock the mob down even quicker). You willfully ignore all kinds of other reasons why in 1999 it may not have been as prevalent as it is on P99 (by Velious people were charm soloing everywhere)…you’re just arguing in bad faith at this point because you have no evidence and don’t want to acknowledge other possibilities than the one you want to see happen.

Counterpoint:
The devs have made it perfectly clear that they are willing to make #NotClassic changes to make the "experience" more like classic. If people didn't charm because it was too dangerous with shitty hardware and connections, then isn't it reasonable to assume that the devs can, and even should, make changes to make it more dangerous for us? For a specific example, I remind you of your favorite forumite (plus a couple others) buying up thousands of gnoll scrolls...

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Sabin76 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Counterpoint:
The devs have made it perfectly clear that they are willing to make #NotClassic changes to make the "experience" more like classic. If people didn't charm because it was too dangerous with shitty hardware and connections, then isn't it reasonable to assume that the devs can, and even should, make changes to make it more dangerous for us? For a specific example, I remind you of your favorite forumite (plus a couple others) buying up thousands of gnoll scrolls...

Oh for sure. But as I said in an earlier comment, if that’s the route we’re taking then there’s tons of other things that should be changed as well.

[Sabin76]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh for sure. But as I said in an earlier comment, if that’s the route we’re taking then there’s tons of other things that should be changed as well.

I don't disagree, there.

[Vaarsuvius]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druid charming is also more risky because you can’t tash so it’s not really relevant to this discussion.
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Druids can (should?) Snare their pets. Who cares about Tash when you can outrun your former pet all day long, and can Root/ Snare it again?
Unless you are thinking about Perma bear pit.