Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you post a video of you root rotting 3+ mobs while in a group with other people at Fungi King?

You didn't read the part where nobody brings Mages to Fungi King camp lol. A Mage's DPS is irrelevant there, you would use a Shaman for utility. Typically a Fungi King group looks like Shaman/Enchanter/Monk or SK and a Cleric (alt or player).

That is just a bad example because you can't bring actual evidence or logic. It's a really bad attempt at a gotcha.

We were discussing other parts of Sebilis, not Fungi King specifically. But again, Mage isn't used there, so not sure why you think it's a good example.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

breathtaking autism

Still no evidence, only insults. The only autism here is you would prefer to believe something that isn't true because you like Mages.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still no evidence, only insults. The only autism here is you would prefer to believe something that isn't true because you like Mages.

Evidence isn't required for something that is extremely obvious to anyone with a mediocre or better understanding of this game. I don't have a 60 mage I can go parse to shut you up but everyone else on this forum besides you is well aware that what you're saying is nonsense. You're spewing this hypothetical situation that isn't realistic 99.9% of the time as a reason why your beloved shaman is as good/better than a mage for this hypothetical 4 man caster group.

If you can keep 4 mobs perma rooted in camp at all times in addition to whatever mob the rest of the group is fighting and you can ensure all 4 of those mobs die in increments of exactly 1.5 minutes then you probably are better dps than a mage with less gear than you (no epic). Congratulations buddy. If you can pull this off for a single hour straight I will tattoo your name on my forehead. Your hypothetical circumstance where shaman > mage is so unbelievably unrealistic I have no good words to accurately describe how ridiculous it is. Even if you are somehow gods gift to everquest shamans and can somehow pull this off I assure you 99.999999% of shamans cannot and thus I can safely conclude that mage > shaman for literally every case except you in this 4 man caster group.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Evidence isn't required for something that is extremely obvious to anyone with a mediocre or better understanding of this game. I don't have a 60 mage I can go parse to shut you up but everyone else on this forum besides you is well aware that what you're saying is nonsense. You're spewing this hypothetical situation that isn't realistic 99.9% of the time as a reason why your beloved shaman is as good/better than a mage for this hypothetical 4 man caster group.

If you can keep 4 mobs perma rooted in camp at all times in addition to whatever mob the rest of the group is fighting and you can ensure all 4 of those mobs die in increments of exactly 1.5 minutes then you probably are better dps than a mage with less gear than you (no epic). Congratulations buddy. If you can pull this off for a single hour straight I will tattoo your name on my forehead. Your hypothetical circumstance where shaman > mage is so unbelievably unrealistic I have no good words to accurately describe how ridiculous it is. Even if you are somehow gods gift to everquest shamans and can somehow pull this off I assure you 99.999999% of shamans cannot and thus I can safely conclude that mage > shaman for literally every case except you in this 4 man caster group.

The math is still true regardless of your protesting. I am not speaking nonsense, you are simply not happy with what I am saying because you have a Mage. I am not saying you shouldn't play a Mage. Mages are fine. I am simply showing the truth. If DPS was your primary concern, you wouldn't need to bring a Mage.

Necro or Shaman would DPS just fine on top of all the other stuff they can do. The reality is with two Enchanters you have enough DPS as it is, so I am not sure why you think a Mage would be good here anyway. Their DPS really isn't that impressive or necessary, especially for clearing Sebilis.

[Crede]

DSM just likes to play p99forum chess but when he’s checkmated after the first few moves and the person moves on he flips his king back up and attempts to keep playing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM just likes to play p99forum chess but when he’s checkmated after the first few moves and the person moves on he flips his king back up and attempts to keep playing.

It's the opposite[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This discussion was checkmated a while ago, but people just can't admit Mages are not very good. Math trumps your feelings. It is factual reality.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the opposite[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This discussion was checkmated a while ago, but people just can't admit Mages are not very good. Math trumps your feelings. It is factual reality.

Your math shows your shaman feelings, nothing else, lol. It doesn't apply to reality. While that may be true in your own little mind, you haven't convinced anyone else, hehe.

Basically what happened is you recommended a shaman, then people made you realize their utility is useless if you swap in a mage for more dps. So now you're attempting to prove shaman's are better group dps over a group dps class, lol. And we haven't even talked about epic mages.

Seriously, it's ok, just accept defeat for once, you lost this debate a long time ago, lol.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your math shows your shaman feelings, nothing else, lol. It doesn't apply to reality. While that may be true in your own little mind, you haven't convinced anyone else, hehe.

Basically what happened is you recommended a shaman, then people made you realize their utility is useless if you swap in a mage for more dps. So now you're attempting to prove shaman's are better group dps over a group dps class, lol. And we haven't even talked about epic mages.

Seriously, it's ok, just accept defeat for once, you lost this debate a long time ago, lol.

Just because people aren't convinced, doesn't make it false lol. The strategy I described would work perfectly if you cared about max DPS. But with 2x Enchanters you don't really need the extra DPS to begin with. Epic mage is irrelevant due to it's rarity.

I have no problem accepting defeat in any debate, I have done so before. But if you are wrong why would I?

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because people aren't convinced, doesn't make it false lol. The strategy I described would work perfectly if you cared about max DPS. But with 2x Enchanters you don't really need the extra DPS to begin with. Epic mage is irrelevant due to it's rarity.

I have no problem accepting defeat in any debate, I have done so before. But if you are wrong why would I?

You are never wrong in your mind so you keep posting for 15 pages, basically UCF

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are never wrong in your mind so you keep posting for 15 pages, basically UCF

That is your projection, not the truth. You can look through my post history. I have admitted I am wrong plenty of times[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The simple truth is when people can't win a debate with facts and logic, they resort to name calling or character attacks.

That is the sign you have lost the debate. The only thing you can do is insult[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If I am wrong, please bring the evidence.

Troxx gave us the DPS numbers for his Mage, and I gave you the DPS numbers for my Shaman. It's really that simple.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is your projection, not the truth. You can look through my post history. I have admitted I am wrong plenty of times[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The simple truth is when people can't win a debate with facts and logic, they resort to name calling or character attacks.

That is the sign you have lost the debate. The only thing you can do is insult[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If I am wrong, please bring the evidence.

Troxx gave us the DPS numbers for his Mage, and I gave you the DPS numbers for my Shaman. It's really that simple.

Your DPS numbers would never hold up in reality, lol. A mage can consistently put that out. A shaman will never have enough mobs in the camp to do that. It's simply not sustainable. Eventually the camp will be split, and you'll be sniping one at a time, in which a mage would be even better for.

You should really reconstruct your arguments. Instead of thinking "how am i going to convince people that shamans are better group dps than a group dps class" you should be thinking "how am i going to convince people that shamans utility would outweigh what a mage would bring". People might actually take you seriously then hehe.