Official PSA - ALL GUILDS - Judgement Day is Coming

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess who is going to be at all the open raids? The most dedicated players / the players with the most time on their hands to play EQ.

It is no different than what is going on now, really. They just won't be able to organize as quickly.

Scenario 1:
Players sit around in EC waiting for mob to spawn.

People start shouting they are forming a raid. Whoever recruits faster goes up. People start picking favorites and forming tight circles that become exclusive.

Scenario 2:
Players sit around in EC waiting for mob to spawn.

Raid mob spawns, everyone has to ensure everyone has a ride to get there. Someone has to let their dog out and never comes back. Someone alt tabs and takes forever. Someone goes LD. Everyone waits. Players decide those people have taken too long. Mob is slain. Players come back 30 minutes later and petition that the entire group of players online who asked to be a part of the raid were skipped out on because of greed / they knew I needed the item too so they cut me out etc.

Hence the sarcasm and irony in what I posted.

I really think the guild leaders and officers or select reps should be talking about these in private then taking the ideas back to their guilds on private forums so the ideas aren't buried in the tripe that is being thrown around in these threads. You have a few people here posting over and over again that don't agree and will never agree to the ideas being posted and they may or may not even be in a guild that raids and more than likely have no say in the decision anyway. I have said it several times to get a working solution the discussions need to be all in private with the guilds hearing about the ideas from their leaders. It is their leaders and officers responsibilities to make the decisions if you trust them to lead you then trust them to look out for your and your guild mates best interests. These threads attract trolls(myself unfortunately included atm) like shit attracts flies.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly do not believe additional concessions are required based on the Divinity plan. TMO/FE etc just don't understand how good it is for them.

1. 14 days of rotation, rest of the month FFA. Result: 168 days of rotation out of 365. So they get 54% of the mobs right there.

2. Then (assuming a 10 guild rotation) they get 20% of the rotated mobs. Guilds like AG, Europa, and the A-Team would probably give up 30-40% of our mobs because we aren't 24 hour capable. So thats another 10% that would become FFA. No one other than FE and TMO can kill Hoshkar and Nexona, so they get another few percent. And finally, the rotation only specifies 2 rounds - sometimes three mobs will spawn. It's real hard for me to see how FE/TMO as a unit don't get 35% of the mobs during the two weeks of rotation.

So, 46% * 1/3 + 54% means TMO, FE, and IB together will get 70% of all targets. That's really not bad at all.

Why not just accept the Proposed Plan by TMO/FE/IB, let the plan shift to the 10 days that was suggested and if Category B guilds want to rotate among themselves, so be it.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why not just accept the Proposed Plan by TMO/FE/IB, let the plan shift to the 10 days that was suggested and if Category B guilds want to rotate among themselves, so be it.

Why should we capitulate? We lose very little by the extended raid suspension, you are suggesting the agreements are actually pretty close, and you are in the minority.

[Nirgon]

Loraen there's a lot of guilds and players, and not that many mobs.

If Velious comes out and FE/IB compete over NToV/ST key mobs/Dain and leave Kunark/Classic/PoG/Kael arena/temple alone... do you think THAT would be a better server?

I do.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that would work great, except for amazingly large variance. Unless the rotation just picks up where it leaves off after the 14 days, but then that means there is going to be a huge wait for rotations.

This has to be based on sort of FTE. You can't expect TMO to get the same stuff the Buttholesurfers Guild gets. Hell why even play? They where top dog for a reason. You want them and FE to just wait 3 weeks for a who gives a shit Raid Mob to pop??

I got bad news for you all. This is NEVER going to work long term. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Hell lets all go look for Butterflies and Unicorns.

[baalzy]

I'm going to make my own raid rules. With blackjack, and hookers.


Infact, forget the raid rules!

PS. Anyone feel like this is just a practice run on a smaller scale for the next round of Congressional Fiscal Cliff Dodging? (Super teeny tiny group of rich white men saying the poor brown masses can't have anything because socialism is bad, except this time the brown people are the ones with the incentive to shut it down).

[arsenalpow]

Deajay let's keep the rhetoric to a minimum. No one wants to hold out and stall raiding just to prove a point, the end goal is to come up with an equitable plan for all parties involved. That's it. It's not about making up for past transgressions or the casual guilds getting our "pound of flesh" as was said last night. We all want to raid, we each have our preferred method of doing so, we just need to figure out the details.

[Autotune]

Take every proposal with the word "rotation" in it and just completely scrap it then.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why should we capitulate? We lose very little by the extended raid suspension, you are suggesting the agreements are actually pretty close, and you are in the minority.

Hive Guild with DKP Loot Distribution is still the best option. You get rewarded for your participation and contribution, just like every other video game out there.

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want them and FE to just wait 3 weeks for a who gives a shit Raid Mob to pop??

Who gives a shit raid mob? Apparently TMO gave a shit because of all the effort they spent keeping everyone else from them and turning this server into a thugocracy.

I'm sorry, but asking TMO to help fix this is like having the Nazis on the war crimes tribunal.