Aftermath eating a full 10 days raid suspension

[Vorkon]

When Dain spawns after a failed ring war, the instant you see the 'Zone Repopping' message you get like 20 people halfway through the castle by the time he actually respawns.

I've seen a number of guilds do this. It hasn't been a petitioned or an issue before. Rumble is probably the same type thing. Add in the fact you had a bunch of bro's already socking for Statue.

Gimp's a good dude who I would pop my collar with at a bar and hit on divorced women with.

Throughout the annuals of the P99 lexicon the raid scene has always been about 'Rules and Intent' the grey area's that exist will always be there, if you raid and something isn't spelled out to the letter, there is only so much Sirken can do with enforcement. While reactionary, the only thing you can really do is address things as they come up and try to change the rules for the next spawn.

[VANVEM]

[QUOTE=FatMice;2234542]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude you are delusional. We are telling you we want to work with the rest of the server to make it fair for all; to at least make a clear underling rule set. Otherwise we will continue to operate under server precedence.

I think I need to start writing some sort of disclaimer that these are my beliefs based on my discussions with my guildmates and leadership and that I am in way representing the officer core of Aftermath.

Dude! Read what I am typing and understand it, I have (for the sake of this discussion) conceded the fact that Detoxx, Pint, and the rest of aftermath are all sincere in what they are saying. and that they may VERY WELL have the best intentions here,but......

BUT YOU BROKE THE MOTHER FUCKING RULES! that fact hasn't changed, and in the most disrespectful way possible, if in fact you wanted to change things what they SHOULD have done is brought this very scenario up in the summit, they had the chance and if you go back and listen to it now, after the fact. it is blatantly obvious that they already had this planned. IF they had it would have been addressed, everyone of the GL's would have made damn sure they had. But by doing it this way, Pint is saying "see, I warned you"

Yep thats a great way to get people to trust in your motives, if Aftermath wants to Prove to the entire server that they mean what they are saying the Detoxx should approach the other GL's and offer a concession for stalling before a ruling comes down and ask that they all come back to the table to work out some real rules

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it is very clear. We operate as we believe is allowed under the rule-set of the server.

And the rest of us believe that you (your guild) wrote yourselves a loophole in the rule that you knew you were going to intentionally break on the next repop. Which goes entirely against what you're saying.

[TMBLOW]

Originally Posted by Vorkon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When Dain spawns after a failed ring war, the instant you see the 'Zone Repopping' message you get like 20 people halfway through the castle by the time he actually respawns.

I've seen a number of guilds do this. It hasn't been a petitioned or an issue before. Rumble is probably the same type thing. Add in the fact you had a bunch of bro's already socking for Statue.

This is 100% false. No guild that is contesting Dain has more than 2 people past the zone line before the message. When the message appears the zone is instantly repopped ( unlike a repop which clearly any face tracker can inform the raiding parties when the mobs spawn just like every other time mobs spawn...)

But its 'ok' guys - Gimpster is a good dude that is fun to hang out at a bar with - he can break / make up his own rules and when they apply to him.

[Cochonou]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the rest of us believe that you (your guild) wrote yourselves a loophole in the rule that you knew you were going to intentionally break on the next repop. Which goes entirely against what you're saying.

[Swish]

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[Nibblewitz]

The $50,000 question is: "Who prompted Sirken to go into Kael and deliver the news to CSG?"

Did Sirken collude with Aftermath? Or did Aftermath notice CSG in Kael, then trick Sirken into handing down this ruling?

[FatMice]

[QUOTE=VANVEM;2234563]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude! Read what I am typing and understand it, I have (for the sake of this discussion) conceded the fact that Detoxx, Pint, and the rest of aftermath are all sincere in what they are saying. and that they may VERY WELL have the best intentions here,but......

BUT YOU BROKE THE MOTHER FUCKING RULES! that fact hasn't changed, and in the most disrespectful way possible, if in fact you wanted to change things what they SHOULD have done is brought this very scenario up in the summit, they had the chance and if you go back and listen to it now, after the fact. it is blatantly obvious that they already had this planned. IF they had it would have been addressed, everyone of the GL's would have made damn sure they had. But by doing it this way, Pint is saying "see, I warned you"

Yep thats a great way to get people to trust in your motives, if Aftermath wants to Prove to the entire server that they mean what they are saying the Detoxx should approach the other GL's and offer a concession for stalling before a ruling comes down and ask that they all come back to the table to work out some real rules

Detoxx approached CSG on giving Statue loot to them. But I guess you didn't read those posts or care. We probably would have conceded State if it wasn't a repop; you know where for 4 hours we are racing to get to every mob we can. So with that mindset we needed Statue down to get to AoW.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the rest of us believe that you (your guild) wrote yourselves a loophole in the rule that you knew you were going to intentionally break on the next repop. Which goes entirely against what you're saying.

What? Now you think we are whispering in Sirkens ear not tomake the rules clearer while publicly advocating for stricter rules?

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Vorkon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When Dain spawns after a failed ring war, the instant you see the 'Zone Repopping' message you get like 20 people halfway through the castle by the time he actually respawns.

I've seen a number of guilds do this. It hasn't been a petitioned or an issue before. Rumble is probably the same type thing. Add in the fact you had a bunch of bro's already socking for Statue.

Gimp's a good dude who I would pop my collar with at a bar and hit on divorced women with.

Throughout the annuals of the P99 lexicon the raid scene has always been about 'Rules and Intent' the grey area's that exist will always be there, if you raid and something isn't spelled out to the letter, there is only so much Sirken can do with enforcement. While reactionary, the only thing you can really do is address things as they come up and try to change the rules for the next spawn.

I dunno who this is, but I'll bro out with you bro

[quido]

break out the duck tape and suffocate yourselves