Sirken's proposal

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's all optional. Our officers ask people not to poopsock VS room, or even be in VS room all the time. People choose to be there. AFK or at their computer, doesn't matter. If you don't want to partake in VS poopsock, you absolutely do not have to. Imo I would much rather a single tracker from each guild being there and having the raid log in, like it is with Trakanon.

So again you're saying play like we want you to or we're to escalate the tactics and/or shit on you. I don't understand why you think this is a reasonable expectation.

[Xerxes]

29% lifetime raid attendance in fe...made maybe 50k in the past year and havent leveled an alt past 40 since joining fe...i still lead raids and pull mobs and help us win with what time i invest...bda dealt with raiding tmo head on while i was with them and yeah i didnt like it then i dont like it now...but id rather compete dirty on a video game then not compete at all...and i think you guys arguing over 4 vs/ct/trak/inny or 6 or 8 is pretty childish...yall should be figuring out how to get along and make a better raid scene...like fe offered bda a druushk rot on their attempt...that would have never happened w old tmo...expand on that...its getting better but maybe not as good as everyone wants...this behavior is just splitting us further apart...sorry i suck at forum posting black headband o7

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So again you're saying play like we want you to or we're to escalate the tactics and/or shit on you. I don't understand why you think this is a reasonable expectation.

What I said was confusing upon review. Apologies. I was using the hypothetical "you." What I meant to say is. FE members do not have to sock VS. Our officers don't want them to, and they choose to be there. I would rather if everyone just tracks VS instead of sits in the room with a stall force.

[Mezzmur]

You're all gay, btw.

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For those late to the party.

Take TMO/FE Proposal that was originally posted with 7 day hands off, move that to 10, move Sirken's Mob list instead of TMO/FE's, ADD Sirken's PNP, Take TMO/FE No In-game Poopsock Rules. Tier 2 can have a rotation if they want, up to them. Tier 1 attacks Tier 2 on First 10 Days, Second 20 days Tier 1 on Tier 1....... YOU GET THIS:

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100% Fair to All, Tier 2 gets MORE mobs than Tier 1, and Tier 2 can attack Tier 1 mobs on the second 20 days. Someone decide rules on how you shift tier 1 and 2. If you don't like this idea you're donkers!

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It absolutely is. I don't see another way, outside of a rotation. I think it would help if people didn't get bent out of shape about it, and just tried to understand why it happens and how to avoid it. Last CT there were 3 guilds going after him. There were trains. Unintentional ones. And everyone was civil about it, there wasn't petitions or drama or insanity. We rezed the dead, and helped drag other guilds. Maybe I'm naive but I actually think that it's possible to be civil about planes raids when all this is over. Maybe guild council will help with that.

There are some means to de-clog raiding zones when one gets a first to engage. You can do as the guilds did shortly after TMO's suspensions a couple weeks ago, and say the previous guild to kill it cannot kill it again for X amount of time, therefore removing one guild from the equation.

You're right toward the end for sure when you say a guild council can help with that, as it can help make meaningful decisions to give reasonable means to taking down raid bosses without a lot of the bad blood that comes about from it. This last CT was also met with a lot of hesitation on the parts of guilds, as many were unsure if we were in the ban period or not yet. A guild council can help make rules among the fellow guilds as to how to approach these situations in a less cutthroat style, in a way that is beneficial for all guilds within their category of raiding style (hardcore/casual).

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Xerxes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

29% lifetime raid attendance in fe...made maybe 50k in the past year and havent leveled an alt past 40 since joining fe...i still lead raids and pull mobs and help us win with what time i invest...bda dealt with raiding tmo head on while i was with them and yeah i didnt like it then i dont like it now...but id rather compete dirty on a video game then not compete at all...and i think you guys arguing over 4 vs/ct/trak/inny or 6 or 8 is pretty childish...yall should be figuring out how to get along and make a better raid scene...like fe offered bda a druushk rot on their attempt...that would have never happened w old tmo...expand on that...its getting better but maybe not as good as everyone wants...this behavior is just splitting us further apart...sorry i suck at forum posting black headband o7

Says the Large Bat.

[Elements]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sadly Sirken's whole proposal is based on the past:

According to Rogean, we were to be creating equitable solutions for the future:


If a proposal favors the hardcores because they have everything to lose, they are basing the agreement on the past. If a proposal favors the casuals, they are not creating an equitable solution for everyone on the server.

Nothing in that post has anything to do with equity and if it did I'm sure it would be equity of effort=reward not social pixel sharing.

[falkun]

Effort = Reward: Half the server is casual, half the server is FFA. Put your effort in that 50% or not, IDGAF.

[Razdeline]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"there are tons of MMOs with instanced raids and triggered bosses, EQ is not one of those games. not having instances or triggered bosses was one of the things that set Classic EQ apart from all the crap games that exist today. i know that the staff doesn't want a rotation, and would prefer to see racing/competing for the targets."

Sirken the Great

This again ^

[Razdeline]

Sadly I think many people are are not taking a step back, and logically thinking of the philosophy that made EQ great.