azrael didnt poach members from red dawn

[Andis]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

felt so good seeing xant doing what he does best the other day: shitting on andis 8) 8) 8)

lucky tstaff it happens

one time ks, what he does best alright

hey heartbrand, hows RD?? 8) 8) 8) 8)

[heartbrand]

How's Founding Fathers? 8) 8) 8) 8)

[Smedy]

it boogles my mind that heartbrand thinks people will treat him loyally when he leads red dawn from one team to the other as the week changes... people voiced their opinions, choose not to listen? shits going to happen

basic diplomacy 101

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it boogles my mind that heartbrand thinks people will treat him loyally when he leads red dawn from one team to the other as the week changes... people voiced their opinions, choose not to listen? shits going to happen

basic diplomacy 101

Actually, the vast majority of people were all 100% supportive of working with Nihilum, hence the vote, the TS vote, etc. Who left to AZ over working with Nilly? Jibeknn and Nacht. Xantille / Exed / Dacuk, all hardcore PVP'ers remained in RD. Our issue was the EXP nerf killing newer blood's ability to level up and join in on the fun. But shrug, trolls gonna troll.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by marie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-trying to evade pvp 90-95% of the time is going to make you lose members

Makes sense. Seems like it probably was a bit more complicated than RD simply running from PVP 9 times out of 10 though.

Originally Posted by marie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-trying to be a snake allying temporarily with 1 faction to zerg another faction for pixel self gain will make you lose members.

How else is a 3-guild/3-team system going to work? Not trying to troll, I seriously don't understand how else it could possibly work.

Originally Posted by marie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-twisting words to make lite or anybody look bad because you have a personal quarrel prob wont make you lose any members but will reflect negatively on your image as leader.

I get the impression that everyone twists words to make the other people look bad. Remember that thread where you posted about someone plugging as if you were gloating, when just the day before you said if someone plugs on you it means YOU'RE the bad player for not killing them before they could plug and that no one cares about plugging?

Again, not trying to troll. I just want to know what's going on.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Makes sense. Seems like it probably was a bit more complicated than RD simply running from PVP 9 times out of 10 though.




How else is a 3-guild/3-team system going to work? Not trying to troll, I seriously don't understand how else it could possibly work.




I get the impression that everyone twists words to make the other people look bad. Remember that thread where you posted about someone plugging as if you were gloating, when just the day before you said if someone plugs on you it means YOU'RE the bad player for not killing them before they could plug and that no one cares about plugging?

Again, not trying to troll. I just want to know what's going on.

Nevermind, don't even bother answering me. I've decided I'm just going to /random to decide what guild I join. Keep your fingers crossed Chewie, maybe the fates want us to be BFFs!

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nevermind, don't even bother answering me. I've decided I'm just going to /random to decide what guild I join. Keep your fingers crossed Chewie, maybe the fates want us to be BFFs!

Flowers is the ONLY guild to join on Red 99. What do you have to random for? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[quido]

Allow me to respond to your inquiry here Tecmos.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Makes sense. Seems like it probably was a bit more complicated than RD simply running from PVP 9 times out of 10 though.

Of course it's a bit more complicated, however the degree to which Red Dawn for a long while avoided PvP was excessive. I can't really blame them for most instances, but I think there were a number of times RD could have benefited from getting some PvP when the cost of a crushing defeat was low. There's something to be said about being willing to bite the bullet and eat a death in the name of putting up a good fight. On red, sometimes you gotta think with your dick instead of your brain and say "fuck it, we're here, let's do this shit" in the face of what is probably almost certain death. You never know how it might turn out, and you and your people might learn a thing or two in the process.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How else is a 3-guild/3-team system going to work? Not trying to troll, I seriously don't understand how else it could possibly work.

While it would be nice to have 3 standalone capable guilds, obviously when one of three guilds is new to the scene, you are likely to see some sort of alliance from the newcomer. I think the problem a lot of us had with the RD/Nihilum alliance is that it further stacked the odds against the standing underdog. Now certain people will say this happened because Azrael/Lite is toxic (a point which I'll address in my next response below), but that is completely ridiculous. I totally understand why it happened - the most people had the most to gain by it happening, but many people failed and still fail to acknowledge what a precarious arrangement such an alliance is. Nobody likes a blowout; you might think you do for a while, but in the end it gets fucking boring. When you join a counter-strike server and there's 12 terrorists and 8 counter-terrorists who are obviously losing, you don't join the damn terrorists. Sure, the most people have the most to gain by further stacking the odds, however, such a situation is fucking stupid. Nihilum has vast reserves of retired people they call on when the competition gets tough (though I think that reserve might be starting to fizzle out) - adding a large chunk of people to the already exceedingly winning team doesn't make for a fun pvp server.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get the impression that everyone twists words to make the other people look bad. Remember that thread where you posted about someone plugging as if you were gloating, when just the day before you said if someone plugs on you it means YOU'RE the bad player for not killing them before they could plug and that no one cares about plugging?

Again, not trying to troll. I just want to know what's going on.

Every big guild on both servers has a little ministry of propaganda built into them whether they mean to or not. Forumquest and such is part of the game and I of course embrace this facet of our community, however, the degree to which Lite and pals get a bad rap on here from the opposition is inordinate. This is a function merely of serving a purpose and not a truthful representation of reality. Running a guild is a lot of work and responsibility, and it of course comes with some tough decisions. In my time with Lite and pals (I've been 60 on my red monk since October and played red for some time before this) I have been perfectly happy with how everything has gone. Granted it hasn't been perfect (no experience can be), however those of you who know me know I am fast to speak against injustice, and I've never had any real cause to do so in Azrael. Red has a jaded history and much of it I didn't experience directly, but since I've been here, most of what I've seen firsthand is in direct opposition to what I had read and continue to read on these forums from those that would prefer to see a boring pvp server.

[Twainz]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Allow me to respond to your inquiry here Tecmos.



Of course it's a bit more complicated, however the degree to which Red Dawn for a long while avoided PvP was excessive. I can't really blame them for most instances, but I think there were a number of times RD could have benefited from getting some PvP when the cost of a crushing defeat was low. There's something to be said about being willing to bite the bullet and eat a death in the name of putting up a good fight. On red, sometimes you gotta think with your dick instead of your brain and say "fuck it, we're here, let's do this shit" in the face of what is probably almost certain death. You never know how it might turn out, and you and your people might learn a thing or two in the process.




While it would be nice to have 3 standalone capable guilds, obviously when one of three guilds is new to the scene, you are likely to see some sort of alliance from the newcomer. I think the problem a lot of us had with the RD/Nihilum alliance is that it further stacked the odds against the standing underdog. Now certain people will say this happened because Azrael/Lite is toxic (a point which I'll address in my next response below), but that is completely ridiculous. I totally understand why it happened - the most people had the most to gain by it happening, but many people failed and still fail to acknowledge what a precarious arrangement such an alliance is. Nobody likes a blowout; you might think you do for a while, but in the end it gets fucking boring. When you join a counter-strike server and there's 12 terrorists and 8 counter-terrorists who are obviously losing, you don't join the damn terrorists. Sure, the most people have the most to gain by further stacking the odds, however, such a situation is fucking stupid. Nihilum has vast reserves of retired people they call on when the competition gets tough (though I think that reserve might be starting to fizzle out) - adding a large chunk of people to the already exceedingly winning team doesn't make for a fun pvp server.




Every big guild on both servers has a little ministry of propaganda built into them whether they mean to or not. Forumquest and such is part of the game and I of course embrace this facet of our community, however, the degree to which Lite and pals get a bad rap on here from the opposition is inordinate. This is a function merely of serving a purpose and not a truthful representation of reality. Running a guild is a lot of work and responsibility, and it of course comes with some tough decisions. In my time with Lite and pals (I've been 60 on my red monk since October and played red for some time before this) I have been perfectly happy with how everything has gone. Granted it hasn't been perfect (no experience can be), however those of you who know me know I am fast to speak against injustice, and I've never had any real cause to do so in Azrael. Red has a jaded history and much of it I didn't experience directly, but since I've been here, most of what I've seen firsthand is in direct opposition to what I had read and continue to read on these forums from those that would prefer to see a boring pvp server.

So you are saying that Lite doesn't box 24/7? And none of the characters on raids/pvp are boxed? Root? Cheesycakes? Basiah? All have 1 person playing them that is not playing a different character at the same time?

[iiNGloriouS]

Originally Posted by Twainz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you are saying that Lite doesn't box 24/7? And none of the characters on raids/pvp are boxed? Root? Cheesycakes? Basiah? All have 1 person playing them that is not playing a different character at the same time?

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