Curious about opinions re: large cash drop while afk

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by portbitch69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

since you were gonna let the afk'ers roll anyway, yall should have waited to roll untill everyone was back from afk

^ This

[maskedmelon]

Unless the fellow had just joined or stealth afk'd and nearly killed everyone as a result there is no reason should not be allowed to roll and the runner up is a jackass, though I can sympathize with the frustration of thinking you've something and then learning you have not and must cede the item to the actual winner.

On loot rules in general, random is the only equitable form of loot distribution, ever. NBG is either a cunning exploitation of common errors in logic or an utter failure of rational thought. Who would like to discuss further? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[kaev]

Any loot distribution method agreed to by the group is the best method, period. NBG works fine in a lot of cases (friends, guildmates, mix of friends/guildies and potential friends/recruits.) NBG on a super high demand item like a heiro cloak seems unlikely tho.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any loot distribution method agreed to by the group is the best method, period. NBG works fine in a lot of cases (friends, guildmates, mix of friends/guildies and potential friends/recruits.) NBG on a super high demand item like a heiro cloak seems unlikely tho.

I agree that there are certain situations in which NBG can work, or even be ideal, but that does not make it equitable. It is inherently discriminatory.

Static groups and guilds rationally overlook this because the growth/advancement of the larger entity as a whole is generally preferable to that of one element, and the interests of the larger entity may not necessarily align perfectly with those of a particular constituent.

Individuals more often fail to recognize the inequity of the system because the are blinded by the the ethical validity of the conclusion and never question the premise of "need."

You see, in the context of NBG, one's "need" of an item is characterized as "is able to utilize immediately to a greater capacity than an existing possession and use reasonably reflects their class' intended role." "Greed" in this context is established as any use of the item other than the one defined for "Need" and that makes sense to most of us since we generally understand greed to be desire absent of need. Here is the problem though, the NBG concept of need neglects need altogether by disqualifying alternative methods by which one might benefit to an equal or greater extent.

To illustrate, consider a group at frenzy camp in Guk. This is a fantastic group consisting of a monk, a cleric, a paladin two rogues and an enchanter. It is raining xp and the named pops, dropping the highly valued FBSS. NBG would exclude the cleric and chanter from rolling straight up because they don't "need" it. The paladin and rogues are reasonably well equipped and the monk has shit for gear. Both rogues have haste items and are alts and decline to roll since they don't "need" it either. The paladin and monk roll and....



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[Enderenter]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On loot rules in general, random is the only equitable form of loot distribution, ever. NBG is either a cunning exploitation of common errors in logic or an utter failure of rational thought. Who would like to discuss further? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No pug should ever be NBG, period. Many monks in KC on p99 tried to pull this with the Tstaff. (Or even non-Monks, arguing the monk should get the 100k item despite the fact there is no comparable item in the zone for any other class)

However, most guild groups or friend groups are in my mind implicitly NBG.

[Neyphlite]

Originally Posted by Enderenter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No pug should ever be NBG, period. Many monks in KC on p99 tried to pull this with the Tstaff. (Or even non-Monks, arguing the monk should get the 100k item despite the fact there is no comparable item in the zone for any other class)

However, most guild groups or friend groups are in my mind implicitly NBG.

You seem to misunderstand what NBG actually is. If an item drops that your class can use and you would use as an upgrade then that is a need regardless of how much pixelated coin it goes for. It is NOT need if you simply want the item to sell for the coin.

PS - Tstaffs are only 30k on blue~

[Cecily]

The person AFK was a contributing part of the group. They deserved a roll and nothing forced you guys to sit in the room that had a spawn pending, knowing that all of your group might not be there.

The person who won deserves the cloak and has no further responsibility.

[Cecily]

This is a special case that you couldn't agree to beforehand.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a special case that you couldn't agree to beforehand.

I can see the issue of rules maybe not having been agreed upon yet...but that isn't necessarily how it had to be.

It seems to me that the aim of the group from long before the cloak dropped was to get into the crypt and get some loot. Rules for how loot would be handled should have been laid down before they cleared the first mob otw to crypt.

If a hypothetical situation arises where there truly isn't any time to establish loot rules, then I would have to say that the only fair way of distribute loot is a random...but I can't think of a single time this hypothetical situation has actually happened to me.

If there are no agreed upon loot rules its 99.99% likely that folks just never discussed it or forgot to discuss it before loot dropped.

[jturkydurk]

real life calls sometimes, dont penalize the guy for it