Warriors Weild what they wanna

[Dantes]

As warriors, the only thing we have to offer is our gear. Without good gear, we are useless, any group would rather have a paladin or SK.

Comparing the proc from an Obsidian Shard to a 300pt DD isn't exactly fair. Obsidian Shatter is a 30pt DD and an AC debuff. Mobs hate debuffs. Procs often happen in 3s, as most casters will tell you - if you try to debuff a mob 3 times in a row you'll shoot strait to the top of their hate list and stay there. Ykesha is a 75dd as well as a stun, stuns put you high on the hate list too. Hate generation is not based on damage alone.

Taunt is no more "broken" on here than it was on live. Why do you think our epic weapon procs +1000 hate? We need procs to maintain aggro.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Ashimar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Beyotch, i got a TAUNT button i use often.

This is no good. You should only be using taunt when you loose agro.

Using it when you already have agro is actually a bad thing simply because it adds nothing to your hate and if somebody grabs agro right after you used a useless taunt, then you really are stuck waiting for a proc to land or taunt to refresh.

I can't believe people still don't understand taunt mechanics after all these years.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is no good. You should only be using taunt when you loose agro.

Using it when you already have agro is actually a bad thing simply because it adds nothing to your hate and if somebody grabs agro right after you used a useless taunt, then you really are stuck waiting for a proc to land or taunt to refresh.

I can't believe people still don't understand taunt mechanics after all these years.

I spam taunt for funzies

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by guineapig

This is no good. You should only be using taunt when you loose agro.

"should" is the wrong word. Taunting when you have aggro is just a waste of keystrokes, it doesn't hurt anything.

[Ashimar]

Why Didnt ALL warriors on live servers have proccing weapons then?? like i said, they all used wurmy/lammy/defiance. Warriors aren't made to weild stupid little shard/daggers.

[korrowan]

Originally Posted by Ashimar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why Didnt ALL warriors on live servers have proccing weapons then?? like i said, they all used wurmy/lammy/defiance. Warriors aren't made to weild stupid little shard/daggers.

Kunark =/= Original

[Dantes]

Originally Posted by Ashimar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why Didnt ALL warriors on live servers have proccing weapons then?? like i said, they all used wurmy/lammy/defiance. Warriors aren't made to weild stupid little shard/daggers.

Not every Warrior knew how taunt mechanics worked back then. I used a pair of Wakizashis before Kunark came out, I couldn't afford yaks. Although people did tell me I should use Obsidian Shards, I told them that was stupid because I'd rather have a 7/21 weapon over a 6/25. In hindsight, I was retarded.

Plus, the very best weapons with proc that are released with Kunark aren't exactly easy to get. We all used Wurmslayers because they were cheap and easy to get. I suppose some people just assumed the damage ratio was enough to ditch the yaks.

Also don't forget about the patch that allowed Warriors to taunt mobs up to 5 levels higher. This made it easier for us to actually use taunt effectively, even without proc. As it stands now, it's almost completely impossible to taunt a white, yellow, or red mob. All you've got is proc.

[Ridic]

Originally Posted by Ashimar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why Didnt ALL warriors on live servers have proccing weapons then?? like i said, they all used wurmy/lammy/defiance. Warriors aren't made to weild stupid little shard/daggers.

Cause, taunt worked differently. You could get away with using a Lamentation / Jade mace when kunark came out - to hold aggro. Mainly because taunt become a spamming ability.

[KilyenaMage]

Originally Posted by Ridic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cause, taunt worked differently. You could get away with using a Lamentation / Jade mace when kunark came out - to hold aggro. Mainly because taunt become a spamming ability.

I played a Warrior from classic ----> PoP and MTed basically every raid mob from PoHate ---> Bertoxx

The MAIN reason warriors could get away with using weapons like Lammies/Jade Mace was simply because their ratio (and they DPS they provided as a result) made up for the lack of a proc.

I grouped a LOT in Karnor's Castle (I played on Tallon Zek - KC was the lightly-controlled dungeon due to its proximity to Fironia Vie.) I know at this point I was wielding a Lammy and eventually got a Jade Mace while xping there. The only time I had trouble holding aggro with those wepaons was MTing raids. I **NEVER** had any issues holding aggro in group situations.

Mind you, this is largely due to competent group members as well. I think people on this server get used to grouping with SKs (who basically CANT lose aggro.) Then they get in a group with a warrior and think they can just spam their noob-nukes just the same.

Of course once a Warrior gets his epic it changes everything.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"should" is the wrong word. Taunting when you have aggro is just a waste of keystrokes, it doesn't hurt anything.

Perhaps I should rephrase my statement... Spamming taunt COULD be bad if somebody gets agro right after you spam taunt for no reason.
In certain situations (like in the planes for example) you can very easily get a caster killed in the amount of time it would take for your taunt button to refresh.

You really don't need another reason than that. Good tanks keep that ability for when they need it because you never know from one second to the next what somebody else might accidentally do to rip aggro away from you.

Does this matter a ton in the case of an exp group fighting nothing but blue con trash mobs? Probably not. But if you make a habit of this it would end up leading to deaths in places where mobs are quadding for insane damage.