How to Trust a moderate Muslim?

[iruinedyourday]

Or like this one, "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

oh wait.. wrong book.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're an idiot

Pokesan you should just pledge your allegiance to ISIS now and get it over with. Your not the type that will fight against the Headcutters

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pokesan you should just pledge your allegiance to ISIS now and get it over with. Your not the type that will fight against the Headcutters

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[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or like this one, "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

oh wait.. wrong book.

Most modern Christians choose to ignore most of the old testament, because the old testament is about as sadistic as the Quran, and it's no longer compatible with most Western cultures.

(Normally when culture evolves away from religious scripture, that society adapts the scripture to serve its needs. You see this with pretty much every religion on Earth... the Eastern Orthodox church being an application of Christianity to Eastern slavic / Greek cultures, Catholicism for romance countries, and Protestantism to Nordic countries, with each denomination tending to reflect the values of that region in the way they commune with their God).

With Islam it seems to work in the reverse for some reason. Culture seems to adapt to serve Islamic values. It's quite interesting really. The only major dogmatic shifts I can think of in Islam are Sunni / Shiite, and Wahhabism (there are other small denominations tantamount to Mormons/Mennonites etc), and they are all massive spanning tons of regions and peoples, with your typical Indonesian Muslim pretty much following the same character of Islam as someone in Morocco.

I think the easiest conclusion is that your typical follower of Islam is a bit more 'religious' than your typical Christian. So when you are quoting a verse from the Quran and comparing it with a verse from the Old or New testaments, you're probably more likely to find a group that actually believes the verse.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or like this one, "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

oh wait.. wrong book.

This is a double-whammy for Islam, which decries Christians and Jews for not following the word of their shared god. You know Islam is just a second expansion of Judaism right?

Now for Christians it is a bit different. They follow the teachings of their namesake, Christ. Come back with similar language from him (reference books Mathew through John and even the subsequent letters if you are so inclined.

For Christians, Christ's death represented the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and essentially the absolvement of sin, overturning Levitican law and the need for nasty punishments like stoning for things like adultery.

The Jews obviously didn't like his message and had him killed. Mohammad liked the iron fistted god of the Jews better, but was unhappy with their monopoly on his congregation, so he wrote a new chapter, invalidating both the Jews and the frilly Christians claims to salvation.

If you don't think allah is all about ass whooping and domination, read up on the birth of Islam or even just look up the meaning of the word Islam.

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or like this one, "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

oh wait.. wrong book.

This law was to apply to the Hebrew land of Israel as indicated by Moses in the context. It does not in any way indicate that Christians should kill non-believers just because they are non-believers. If you knew anything more about the context of this piece other than just Google'n shit to reinforce your arguments you'd realize that. It essentially says if you wish to live in the Hebrew lands, you must adhere to their laws and recognize their authority. Not like any country today does that.... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also fail to see how a Hebrew law from 3,000-4,000 years ago that is not practiced today makes Islam's killing of 'infidels' across the globe in modern times any less barbaric.

[iruinedyourday]

This is an ignorant bigot troll thread and will be gone soon.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now for Christians it is a bit different. They follow the teachings of their namesake, Christ. Come back with similar language from him (reference books Mathew through John and even the subsequent letters if you are so inclined.

For Christians, Christ's death represented the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and essentially the absolvement of sin, overturning Levitican law and the need for nasty punishments like stoning for things like adultery.

This is only a very recent development, with modern evangelicals finding a loophole to further adapt Christianity to an extremely secular culture (compared to how things used to be). Now you don't even need to read or understand the bible and find a uniform conclusion if you don't want to, just love Christ! Is there an icky part of the bible? Who cares! It's all about your love for Christ! And I doubt Catholics would appreciate being characterized as not following Christ's teachings, considering the accounts of Paul, Peter, disciples etc are believed to also be true accounts of what Christ wanted.

I always found it funny the few times I went to bible study with some Evangelical friends in college, that their way of internalizing their religion was sitting around finding ways to interpret and apply parts of the bible to modern life... and reeeaallly stretching it with the interpretations. I had a lot of respect for the good things they would glean from those sessions, but it was just so different from Catholic or Lutheran things I've attended.

[iruinedyourday]

moderate christian:

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[ronasch]

If we all just claim to be followers of Planned Parenthood we can murder babies lawfully. Woot nothing wrong wit dat