Sacha Baron Cohen: it’s permissible to have relations with a woman who is your slave

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Quran is full of prescriptive solutions for dealing with guilt and and shame and the mercifulness of Allah when failing any test of human decency. Typical sentence structure:

Do not do this thing for it is bad. This other thing is more good and is done by those who are most good. But he who does not do this thing that is good and instead does the thing that is bad, he cannot be blamed for it is not his fault. And he who does neither, but instead a more bad thing, he may be forgiven for Allah is merciful.

The bolded part is the reason for the liberal infatuation with Islam.

Sounds like Christianity where they think they can sin as much as they want because they believe a Prophet will be punished instead of them. Or Atheism where they reject the Day of Judgement entirely and adopt a meaningless life of unregulated hedonism.

The fact that God is the Most Merciful, and that He forgives our sins, doesn't mean that sinning is permissible because its not a guarantee. It just means that if we're struggling to avoid it then we shouldn't despair over the mercy of God but we can't just persist assume it will be forgiven. The Qur'an also teaches that good deeds make up for it, so we're simply taught to be as righteous as we can.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like Christianity where they think they can sin as much as they want because they believe a Prophet will be punished instead of them. Or Atheism where they reject the Day of Judgement entirely and adopt a meaningless life of unregulated hedonism.

The fact that God is the Most Merciful, and that He forgives our sins, doesn't mean that sinning is permissible because its not a guarantee. It just means that if we're struggling to avoid it then we shouldn't despair over the mercy of God but we can't just persist assume it will be forgiven. The Qur'an also teaches that good deeds make up for it, so we're simply taught to be as righteous as we can.

Any deity, be it Allah or Ywh or Jesus or whatever, who levies judgement based on faith is most certainly not merciful, rather he is cruel :/

Though it should not, faith stands as the greatest impasse to reason and as a tool of oppression, it is for good reason that fabricators of early religions wove their tapestries from such wretched thread.

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any deity, be it Allah or Ywh or Jesus or whatever, who levies judgement based on faith is most certainly not merciful, rather he is cruel :/

Though it should not, faith stands as the greatest impasse to reason and as a tool of oppression, it is for good reason that fabricators of early religions wove their tapestries from such wretched thread.

I'm a Muslim because of reasoning, and the grace of God. All praise and thanks is to Him.

If my worldview was based on blind faith, like the belief that everything exists by nothing but chance and we cease to exist when we die, then i'd still be an Atheist.

So we're not punished simply for "not believing". Its because of what rejecting God promotes, among many other reasons like arrogance, being ungrateful for all the good things He gave us, spreading lies about God, believing we won't be accountable which leads to crime, failing to take it seriously and investigate after clear warnings, etc.

And if God were cruel then everything on earth would be hell and we'd have nothing good like the fruit, sunshine, water, potential for happiness, joy, etc.

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Atheism where they reject the Day of Judgement entirely and adopt a meaningless life of unregulated hedonism.

Explain.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain.

Virtuous among men is he who prostrates himself before his own imagination.

Self Evident Truths 23:14

The stain of reason barks hoarsely from the pit of depravity.

Judicious Warnings 14:1

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and yet Muhammad didn't free his sex slaves that he had aside from his 6yr old wife.

Muhammad had no slaves nor did he marry a child. I suggest you seek forgiveness from God and stop lying about and insulting one of His Prophets. But i'm innocent from what you do.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Muhammad had no slaves nor did he marry a child. I suggest you seek forgiveness from God and stop lying about and insulting one of His Prophets. But i'm innocent from what you do.

Yeah guys leave him alone. Just because he married her at 6 doesn't mean he was some pedo. He waited til she was 9 or 10 before consummating like a gentleman. There is some debate from scholars who think they exaggerated her youth to make her a more convincing virgin. Maybe she wasn't a convincing virgin? Shouldn't the prophet have known?

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah guys leave him alone. Just because he married her at 6 doesn't mean he was some pedo. He waited til she was 9 or 10 before consummating like a gentleman. There is some debate from scholars who think they exaggerated her youth to make her a more convincing virgin. Maybe she wasn't a convincing virgin? Shouldn't the prophet have known?

That's a lie promoted by Sunni / Shia sectarians, corrupt man made hadiths, and rejecters. Nobody knows Aisha's real age and a Prophet of God wouldn't do that.

And you don't offend my by saying that because nobody is responsible for the mistakes of others. I'm simply clarifying and warning because you'll be questioned about that on the Day of Judgement.

[phacemeltar]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a Prophet of God wouldn't do that.

you had me up until this. how could you possibly know? seems blasphemous for you to make such an assertion

[Chaboo_Cleric]

WWJD

What would Jesus Drive?>