World of Warcraft: Legion

[Evia]

Originally Posted by Grubbz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Scaling leveling zones (you got that questing ocd? need to finish every quest in an area without the fear of over leveling, then this is for you)

New transmog system (no more carrying around all your junk, just equip an item once and its saved forever)

Iconic raid bosses (biggest draw for me), personally never got back into the game because i could care less about the raids, the villains were meh at best BUT now with it being leaked that Gul'dan is the final boss of the 2nd RAID you can already tell that this expansion is going to have to have some great iconic bosses.

TLDR: first time since wotlk that i legit want to sub.

I see. Yeah I'm not very familiar with the wow universe or lore... so the iconic bosses don't do much for me. The other two elements are just 'meh' for me as well. I think I'll pass. Hopefully it's worthwhile for the people like you who are taking the plunge. The whole wow disappointment feeling sucks.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see. Yeah I'm not very familiar with the wow universe or lore... so the iconic bosses don't do much for me. The other two elements are just 'meh' for me as well. I think I'll pass. Hopefully it's worthwhile for the people like you who are taking the plunge. The whole wow disappointment feeling sucks.

This. Im not impressed unfortunately.

WOTLK was just too good of a PvP era. The current WoW players don't realize that.

No TBC or WOTLK purist is going to return and feel good about the current game.

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by Grubbz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Scaling leveling zones (you got that questing ocd? need to finish every quest in an area without the fear of over leveling, then this is for you)

New transmog system (no more carrying around all your junk, just equip an item once and its saved forever)

Iconic raid bosses (biggest draw for me), personally never got back into the game because i could care less about the raids, the villains were meh at best BUT now with it being leaked that Gul'dan is the final boss of the 2nd RAID you can already tell that this expansion is going to have to have some great iconic bosses.

TLDR: first time since wotlk that i legit want to sub.

this shit makes me physically ill. Its like they have to systematically remove anything that made mmos seem real and transform it into a trivial game for adhd kids

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this shit makes me physically ill. Its like they have to systematically remove anything that made mmos seem real and transform it into a trivial game for adhd kids

everything will start catering to ADHD.

its a new trend in gaming and the designers even suffer from it. industrial toxins and excitotoxicity and vaccinated brain dmg no bueno mane....

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

everything will start catering to ADHD.

its a new trend in gaming and the designers even suffer from it. industrial toxins and excitotoxicity and vaccinated brain dmg no bueno mane....

Don't you think that this has been the trend for the past 10 years? A trend that is just taking it's course to gold fish levels of ADHD. And everything too, yeah, even to walking into a Target store and seeing everyone standing zombiefied with their heads down staring into smartphone's dragging their thumb across the screen flipping from image to image. Blizzard has just been tapping into that.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't you think that this has been the trend for the past 10 years? A trend that is just taking it's course to gold fish levels of ADHD. And everything too, yeah, even to walking into a Target store and seeing everyone standing zombiefied with their heads down staring into smartphone's dragging their thumb across the screen flipping from image to image. Blizzard has just been tapping into that.

That's what I was driving at.

There is no going back. Game design is a reflection of what's going on culturally. Goldfish attention spans with the ability to only focus on things that INTENSELY interest you.

There is an unpublished study done that games like LoL and DOTA2 are the perfect model of dopamine destruction. They basically get the brain use to a certain amount of pleasurable hits per millisecond that is very unnatural to our current DNA. These people "train" their brain's dopamine unknowingly while playing these MOBAs nonstop every day for several hours a day essentially causing permanent alterations in dopamine transport and dopamine reward.

The majority of hardcore MOBA players as a result cannot enjoy anything except MOBAs. Wish I had a link.

MOBAs and similar dopamine models to MOBAs such as Pokémon Go are the future of gaming.

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what I was driving at.

There is no going back. Game design is a reflection of what's going on culturally. Goldfish attention spans with the ability to only focus on things that INTENSELY interest you.

There is an unpublished study done that games like LoL and DOTA2 are the perfect model of dopamine destruction. They basically get the brain use to a certain amount of pleasurable hits per millisecond that is very unnatural to our current DNA. These people "train" their brain's dopamine unknowingly while playing these MOBAs nonstop every day for several hours a day essentially causing permanent alterations in dopamine transport and dopamine reward.

The majority of hardcore MOBA players as a result cannot enjoy anything except MOBAs. Wish I had a link.

MOBAs and similar dopamine models to MOBAs such as Pokémon Go are the future of gaming.

definitely believe it. My brief time playing League was one of the few where I would have CEVs of the game when trying to sleep. Makes me feel cracked out and leaves me with a hangover the next day. Civ series has a similar effect -- has something to do with doing very repetitious behaviors in a game at maximum speed. I can play many more hours of an actually decent game without any similar effect.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is an unpublished study done that games like LoL and DOTA2 are the perfect model of dopamine destruction. They basically get the brain use to a certain amount of pleasurable hits per millisecond that is very unnatural to our current DNA. These people "train" their brain's dopamine unknowingly while playing these MOBAs nonstop every day for several hours a day essentially causing permanent alterations in dopamine transport and dopamine reward.

Thanks for the lesson on physiology for retards. You blew out my dopamines and serotonins and now I only get pleasure from shitposts.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is an unpublished study done that games like LoL and DOTA2 are the perfect model of dopamine destruction. They basically get the brain use to a certain amount of pleasurable hits per millisecond that is very unnatural to our current DNA. These people "train" their brain's dopamine unknowingly while playing these MOBAs nonstop every day for several hours a day essentially causing permanent alterations in dopamine transport and dopamine reward.

The majority of hardcore MOBA players as a result cannot enjoy anything except MOBAs. Wish I had a link.

MOBAs and similar dopamine models to MOBAs such as Pokémon Go are the future of gaming.

Interesting. I've heard a little about this. It almost sounds sort of like the damage amphetamine use does to the brain. You know, where dopamine receptacles are so inundated that they burn out. Over time they feel nothing for anything apart from the increased use of the stimulant which further burns out receptacles.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by big_ole_jpn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

definitely believe it. My brief time playing League was one of the few where I would have CEVs of the game when trying to sleep. Makes me feel cracked out and leaves me with a hangover the next day. Civ series has a similar effect -- has something to do with doing very repetitious behaviors in a game at maximum speed. I can play many more hours of an actually decent game without any similar effect.

I watched people play dota irl (I used to play MOBAs too) and watching how rapidly they are clicking and typing and interacting is just like chain smoking and chain snorting cocaine trying to maintain. "Frenetic" would be a good word I'd say...one of the reasons I didn't stick with SC2 and decided to just quit after many years of enjoying SC1. The APM is just a touch too damn high, and its a shame and a waste of a potentially good game.

It gives me anxiety to watch someone play a MOBA now, knowing what its doing and how "involved" and serious these sperglords are about winning a game that they do not play professionally...

Healthy competition is fine, but you cross the line when you are dead serious about winning PUG games. I realized the reason they are so serious and intense is because of the "cracked out" effect you are talking about. They are struggling to get those dopamine hits and the brain is demanding them.

There's a better study of this done on long gaming sessions in general, not even MOBAs. When people said WoW destroys your social skills, I was HIGHLY skeptical, having been intimately familiar with the game in Vanilla, it was a very social experience at one point.

I wonder what those same people are now saying about MOBAs? Nothing. There is simply a lack of awareness regarding some of these games and until (((Lune))) and others step up and start trending away from them in every day casual conversation, American citizens qualities of life will continue to suffer as a result.