No, we shouldn't have Lucin. But maybe its Velious tweaks would be fine

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by Ghostly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

100% this... People saying they don't want Dragons rooted because killing trash is a pain, are just looking for easy loot they don't actually have to earn.

Logging in to kill just a named mob is not raiding, its farming. There IS a difference.

Ugh I wrote a long response to this then deleted it now I fell I have to respond again.

If it's so easy to kill dragons the way they currently are killed, why are there only two guilds that consistently contest Raid Targets in ToV? (Outside of trips).

MOST of the best playmakers/pullers/leaders/coth racers are in one of two guilds. Any second tier guild (i'm not shitting on anyone here btw, I love lots of people in Paradigm Shift ETC) can produce a force to kill the dragons. You need clerics, 2-3 Raid geared tanks, DPS. Slowers. That's the easy part. The hard part is getting the dragon to entrance.

And you're very wrong about the loot. A LOT of people, especially the playmakers, don't raid on p99 for the loot. I joined Aftermath because I wanted raid loot, that's the truth. I didn't expect to like raiding as much as I did. I figured that I would get some shit, and take off. But it's a lot of fun! I don't even give a shit about loot anymore. I raid because it's fun, and I love my guild members.

[Ghostly]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ugh I wrote a long response to this then deleted it now I fell I have to respond again.

If it's so easy to kill dragons the way they currently are killed, why are there only two guilds that consistently contest Raid Targets in ToV? (Outside of trips).

MOST of the best playmakers/pullers/leaders/coth racers are in one of two guilds. Any second tier guild (i'm not shitting on anyone here btw, I love lots of people in Paradigm Shift ETC) can produce a force to kill the dragons. You need clerics, 2-3 Raid geared tanks, DPS. Slowers. That's the easy part. The hard part is getting the dragon to entrance.

And you're very wrong about the loot. A LOT of people, especially the playmakers, don't raid on p99 for the loot. I joined Aftermath because I wanted raid loot, that's the truth. I didn't expect to like raiding as much as I did. I figured that I would get some shit, and take off. But it's a lot of fun! I don't even give a shit about loot anymore. I raid because it's fun, and I love my guild members.

If lower tiered guilds weren't scared to step foot in ToV due to the top 2 raid guilds rule lawyering them into oblivion, there would be a lot more competition.

You say the hard part is getting the dragons to the entrance, the whole point of my post is that they shouldn't even have to bring them to the entrance, they should actually raid...

Also, you're on crack if you think those guilds are not raiding to get loot. That is about the most ridiculous shit i've ever heard.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by Ghostly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If lower tiered guilds weren't scared to step foot in ToV due to the top 2 raid guilds rule lawyering them into oblivion, there would be a lot more competition.

You say the hard part is getting the dragons to the entrance, the whole point of my post is that they shouldn't even have to bring them to the entrance, they should actually raid...

Also, you're on crack if you think those guilds are not raiding to get loot. That is about the most ridiculous shit i've ever heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVjeKltMVJs

The people pulling the most weight in AM, in my opinion, do it because they have fun doing it 1st and loot 2nd. That's my opinion, and i'm not on drugs.

Rule lawyered into oblivion? That's ridiculous. Do the guild leaders expect other guilds to adhere to the same rules that we have to? Yes. Is that a problem? But it's not like we go out of our way to stick it to lower guilds. If you read our forums and discord, you would know that almost everyone very much wants healthy competition. When Awakened was suspended/dying earlier this year, raiding was boring as fuck.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by Ghostly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If lower tiered guilds weren't scared to step foot in ToV due to the top 2 raid guilds rule lawyering them into oblivion, there would be a lot more competition.

And i'm sure lower tier guilds will be A LOTTTT less afraid to step foot in NToV when the entire area has more trains then Grand Central Station while 140 experienced, raid geared people try to make it to a rooted dragon ……….

[bigjeff100]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you're very wrong about the loot. A LOT of people, especially the playmakers, don't raid on p99 for the loot. I joined Aftermath because I wanted raid loot, that's the truth. I didn't expect to like raiding as much as I did. I figured that I would get some shit, and take off. But it's a lot of fun! I don't even give a shit about loot anymore. I raid because it's fun, and I love my guild members.

This is a similar concept to going to the gym though.. Nobody really has fun at the gym, or looks forward to it, until their goals have been reached. You know who has the most fun in the gym? Those good lookin buff guys and gals.. They always slappin hands, drinkin juice, chattin with other bro's and broette's, smiling, gettin it. You know who isn't having fun? The ones who need to be there. That guy sloggin away on the stupid elliptical, 100% pure unhappiness.. I'm not here to argue though, i get what your saying. I'm that guy at the gym, you're that guy on the raid scene. But I think you lose sight once you do reach the top, you lose sight of what it took to get there. It wasn't always fun, it wasn't always productive. That being said, i respect yall's hustle! Get them pixels!!!

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by bigjeff100 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a similar concept to going to the gym though.. Nobody really has fun at the gym, or looks forward to it, until their goals have been reached. You know who has the most fun in the gym? Those good lookin buff guys and gals.. They always slappin hands, drinkin juice, chattin with other bro's and broette's, smiling, gettin it. You know who isn't having fun? The ones who need to be there. That guy sloggin away on the stupid elliptical, 100% pure unhappiness.. I'm not here to argue though, i get what your saying. I'm that guy at the gym, you're that guy on the raid scene. But I think you lose sight once you do reach the top, you lose sight of what it took to get there. It wasn't always fun, it wasn't always productive. That being said, i respect yall's hustle! Get them pixels!!!

I like your response. But that's the thing. Plenty of people start going to the gym hating it. After a week or two, maybe they realize.. wow, I already feel like I've improved. Or wow, I really have been having a lot more energy lately. Wow I really am starting to like this runners high. Wow I got a second wind for the first time. Wow my overall mood has improved dramatically... a year later they are the buff person slapping hands and weight spotting in a power stance. The unhappiness stems from self defeat. I'll never lose this weight. Everyone around me is so much more in shape. I probably look stupid. My fat is flopping around. We'll never beat Aftermath in a coth race....

Gotta put in the effort to get the results. You can be the person who realizes the HUGE benefits of being in shape and commits to their cause, or you can be the person who starts a diet, angrily orders a salad, and pick at it with a miserable look on your face.

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[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by Ghostly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

100% this... People saying they don't want Dragons rooted because killing trash is a pain, are just looking for easy loot they don't actually have to earn.

Logging in to kill just a named mob is not raiding, its farming. There IS a difference.

I agree with your sentiment. I have removed myself from both top tier raiding guilds due to boredom and being overall unimpressed by the raid scene, nothing at all appealing to me about sitting around waiting on pops or bat phones.

Spend the time working/learning/gearing a character up to 60 only to bumble fudge around is unacceptable. I was briefly in both top tier guilds and lost interest, ended up ghosting or taking a break.

My 60 bard is camped out in KC of all places now because at least its something to do besides camp idols, do Sir Lucan (wait in line) or stand around double pumping mana for clerics, waste of an epic bard. If that is what floats your boat, fine, enjoy that.

I did like being with a big group of people doing something, it was exciting to take part in. I liked the guys cracking jokes in Discord/TS, people playing music on that DJ website.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Mblake1981 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people playing music on that DJ website.

Our guild has a Discord chatbot that does the same thing, and plays music chosen by us in our main voice chat (to choose the music we go to a separate chat room and run do "!play Journey Don't Stop Believing", or whatever.

A lot of people turn the bot's volume off, but the rest of us have a lot of fun DJing and listening to each other's songs.

[Twochain]

If we're talking about Custom Content... It would be cool if say, your guild had to complete a specific test or trial in order to unlock some Luclin raids. That's a whole can of worms, but I think it would be kind of fun.

[Tuurin]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we're talking about Custom Content... It would be cool if say, your guild had to complete a specific test or trial in order to unlock some Luclin raids. That's a whole can of worms, but I think it would be kind of fun.

You mean, like flags? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]