cultural anthropological study about P99

[Polixenes]

Originally Posted by Kasilis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, yes you are right and wrong at the same time. But you cannot compare these games with everquest. You are right Everquest is a 12 year old game, but it is a game belonging to the genre called MMORPG. As far as i know there havent been much development in the football, chess or monopoly "genre" in the last years. In fact in the MMO genre there has been. A lot of new games have been developed. So I think it is a legitimate question to ask whats so special about Everquest. In my honest opinion: The comparison doesn't really work.

I take it the key premise of your study is that newer MMORPGs are enhanced versions of EQ, and whereas the outsider might expect newer games to make EQ obsolete, in fact EQ retains a loyal following? If so I would counsel you to make this premise crystal clear in your paper and somehow show (to a non-player reading it) the basis for that premise. In the world of games generally speaking the games most played are old games and the creation of hundreds if not thousands of board games over the past 50 years have not diminished the appeal of chess, Monopoly and other 'classics.'

I suspect at the end of the day you will have a study that concludes that some people like EQ better than WoW, EQ2, Vanguard etc. You might equally study board games and find lots of people think Monopoly is more fun than Game of Life, or horse-racing is more fun than dog-racing, and I just wonder out loud what your professor will think as he reads it....was this worth researching?

Anyway, not to pour cold water on your project and I wish you an A grade.

[Kasilis]

First i have to say is i don't see development in a evolutionary way. Like from primitive prehostoric clubswingers to seemingly super intelligent and free beings like we see humans today. You might got me wrong on that one.

The graphics have improved with the new generation of MMORPGS. But I don't say WoW/EQ2/Vanguard have a better gameplay or are better in general. I say they are just different - still they developed.

In general it is worthy to research any expression of culture. Any. There is nothing not worthy to research.

To make an example:
Noone likes grinding still it takes up a huge part of the game. If not the largest. We are "wasting" hours and hours every week doing it. If you would take the grinding out of the context noone would waste his time on something that boring. But then you remember "Ahh right I get experience for it" and around it there is a whole world, so it makes sense again and ends up being fun.

But what exactly is fun about it? Didn't we maybe just all come back only because of nostalgia and we are just ending up with our old habits or addictions again? This might sound sad, so don't pin me down on this please. But I have the same smile on my lips when I think of Everquest like when I think of my first kiss. It wasn't that perfect but hell it was exciting.

I was 12 years old when I started playing EQ and couldn't hardly speak english or had any deeper idea of the gameplay. This world was an dangerous yet adventerous place for me, which was amazingly fun to be explored. And I've really soaked up this world so that I've a damn glorified memory of Everquest, but when I've hit lvl 4 with my bard in Kelelthin at noob ramp after x hours grinding after returning to P99. I started wondering "serious what am I doing here? But I kept going with the though that I've got so much more to see and in the end it isn't that bad..

And that is where the other MMORPGS come into the view. Because if P99 is more than nostalgia and routine there has to be something which this game is offering that none of the other MMORPGs could in the meantime. It might sound simple to you, but it is exactly what I want to hear. Where are the differences? What is so special about Everquest? Not the comparison of Everquest to other MMORPGs is my research interest. But more the function of gratification while playing Everquest and the question why you've returned.

The subjective taste of persons is irrelevante here. I don't care if some people like WoW and some people not. It's not about what the people like. It is about what Everquest is about. What is its spirit?

Maybe I've picked a bad introducing question to make my point clear. But I hope this post helped you to understand my motives and to substantiate the legitimation of the research.

[Kasilis]

Another point I want to add is the challenge. How can Everquest players resist the rapid Gratification MMORPGs like WoW offer you? This is a huge difference between those 2 games. To awnser this question it is simply not enough to say: People who like challenges play challenging games. You can't just explain that with different tastes. So if you want to do science, you have to go further.
That is what I'am trying to do. And therefor I need a understanding of Everquest which is not based only on my own subjectivity.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Hobby [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monopoly is fun? Since when? All I've ever done in monopoly was rage, throw houses, rip money, and kick the board and walk off....

You should try playing it with another person or two. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Polixenes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Q: "Why do people play a 12 year old game?"
A: Umm, it's a fun game.

Damn, I'm now influenced, cant participate now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Messianic]

He should do an Anthropological study on tagging on the p99 forums...

the tags in this thread are hilarious

[Knightmare]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He should do an Anthropological study on tagging on the p99 forums...

the tags in this thread are hilarious

So true. lol.

Send me a PM if ya want Kasilis, I'll fill out whatever you have [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He should do an Anthropological study on tagging on the p99 forums...

the tags in this thread are hilarious

I'm not even sure people read thread posts anymore, just tags.

[Hobby]

Monopoly is fun? Since when? All I've ever done in monopoly was rage, throw houses, rip money, and kick the board and walk off....

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by Hobby [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monopoly is fun? Since when? All I've ever done in monopoly was rage, throw houses, rip money, and kick the board and walk off....

That's what people do in EQ? how is this different??

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I'm convinced hobby played on vztz