Log Parsers

[Flunklesnarkin]

kind of cool... but I think the game play is a lot different when you don't know exactly where you are at.


Imma guess they gonna say its not legal because it's not original?

seems to be what most people say.

[john_savage1982]

I don't see how they can stop us from reading the logs and running our own programs that use log data to generate useful information.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by john_savage1982 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see how they can stop us from reading the logs and running our own programs that use log data to generate useful information.

yah.. doing w/o detection is one thing.. promoting is another.

[Klath]

Originally Posted by john_savage1982 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see how they can stop us from reading the logs and running our own programs that use log data to generate useful information.

From a technical standpoint, it would be virtually impossible to stop people from using a log parser approach to mapping. For example, even if the parser process was identifiable, if you ran the parser on another computer (or in a virtual machine) and accessed the log file remotely the process would be effectively hidden from detection.

I'll post a follow-up to my original query in the "Petition / Exploit" forum and see if I can get someone to weigh in officially.

[gnomishfirework]

Klath, I would love to get a download if you ever find out if its allowed. seems useful.

technically, you could have done this in classic it just reads logs, and its not showeq where it shows you thinks you cant see.

Should be allowed, but i wouldnt use it until you are sure.

[Klath]

Originally Posted by gnomishfirework [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Klath, I would love to get a download if you ever find out if its allowed. seems useful.

Absolutely. If it officially falls within the rules I'll make it available for everyone.

[Klath]

Originally Posted by gnomishfirework [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Klath, I would love to get a download if you ever find out if its allowed. seems useful.

technically, you could have done this in classic it just reads logs, and its not showeq where it shows you thinks you cant see.

Should be allowed, but i wouldnt use it until you are sure.

My petition hasn't been answered but from what people have said it seems like this type of log parser probably isn't a violation of the server rules. Still, use at your own risk.

The following RAR file contains an MSI file you can use to install on your system. If you want to get rid of the software you can use the "Programs and Features" app in the control panel and uninstall EQGPS.

http://rapidshare.com/files/3563361625/EQGPSSetup.rar


I've included maps for most of the zones but some of them may be misnamed. In order to identify when you have zoned and a new map needs to be loaded I look for log entries like...

[Fri Oct 22 15:51:18 2010] You have entered East Commonlands.

...and derive the name of the zone by taking the text between the phrase "You have entered " and the terminating period. Since I don't have a character that can easily get to all of the zones I've had to guess at some of the names. So, if you zone in some place and don't see a map, look in the directory where you installed to and see if there is a map image and an ini file that might represent your zone and rename them accordingly. If you stumble across one of these, let me know the correct name.

I haven't included maps for these zones...

Crypt of Dalnir
Mines of Nurga
Temple of Droga
The Arena

...but if someone has and can post the corresponding "You have entered" line from their log, I'll add the maps and calibrations.

[Flunklesnarkin]

*Debbie Downer* i really hope it isn't within the rules...

but yar gonna channel my inner KMFDM.... anarchy... nuff said

aka ( if you smart enough to not get caught good on you but don't promote...maybe...prolly idk)

[Mardur]

Lol @ people who think a log parsing map program is against the rules. People were doing that stuff in classic. What's next, bans for people who visit eqatlas?

[Klath]

Originally Posted by Mardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol @ people who think a log parsing map program is against the rules. People were doing that stuff in classic. What's next, bans for people who visit eqatlas?

"Any type of program or script that gives you an unfair advantage (eg. MacroQuest, ShowEQ or packet modification) will result in an instant ban with no lenience. Cheating will be ruled with an iron first regardless of who you are."

"Unfair advantage" is open to interpretation. As written, the rule could conceivably allow some log parsers and forbid others depending on whether the advantage given is deemed unfair. The fact that they list programs that muck around with the internals of the EQ process doesn't necessarily mean that these are the only types of programs that violate the rule.

It doesn't seem unreasonable to ask for clarification -- especially when the penalty is "an instant ban with no lenience."