What do YOU want?

[Nirgon]

I'm also in favor of xp loss being removed, say you're naked on your way to your corpse and no gear to defend yourself? You lose 20minutes of xping.

However, I think there should be SOME penalty for a death. That's what seperates this game from WoW and its many copy-paste clones.

I'd rather there was an xp penalty than no penalty at all.

[Giovanni]

In lieu of exp loss, deaths in pve or pvp could result in a res effect like debuff (20minutes?). This will enable individuals to actively pvp without worrying about exp loss.

At the same time, it will help discourage bindrushing.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A+ Job

What can be said that hasn't been said already in various other threads? It promotes bind camping, discourages pvp, and is a major source of frustration for players who exp slowly. It never bothered me because I played a solo class, but it adds insult to injury for classes that can't solo and players that don't know how to exp effectively. There's also a chilling effect on anyone saying that exp loss bothers them because everyone will call them a "pussy" and ridicule them for exping too slowly/dying too much.

Those are some of the harms. Let's talk about the benefits. Does it discourage bind rushing? Careful if you answer "yes", because then you have to concede that the penalty is significant for some players. I feel it doesn't do any more to discourage bind rushing than respawning oom already does, which is probably why it was never needed on any classic server. Does it punish people for dying? Sure, but dying already does that - being teleported to your bind point, losing your camp, losing all your coin, and having it broadcast to the server that you've just lost a fight is punishment enough.

[jeffd]

yellow text, so that the server feels slightly less like a completely empty wasteland.

[gloinz]

taking out xp loss will
a) make it 100% more likely i'll root you and let the mob finish you off **** = 10x worse xp loss
b) make it so that there is no reason for me to stop zerg rushing you while ur fighting mobs/raid bosses
c) make me more likely to corpse camp bc us pvp champs need you to feel some sting naw mean

[Rushmore]

EXPERIENCE 1-35/40/45 Should be easy. Maybe even 1-50. Why do we want people to grind solo to 50? We need to create more and more new players! (Basically get them to the level they can group with 60's) Keep 45/50-60 classic xp. Make pvp enable at all levels post 45. This will also drive more numbers to fight the mass zerg that everyone cry's about. /salute Nihilum. Hell make 50-60 x2 harder! But everyone on the server should be 45-60 or 50-60. So we all can duke it out! This is PVP server. (I have access to a druid currently I can get a toon to 35 in about 2 hours but most can not. Let's make it an even playing field)

If you want to create somewhat of a time sink.... create it in loots not grinding xp! Searyx some shit! Lev cloak is sooo easy. /example

Maybe make disciplines drop able. I also loved this in VZTZ

Make Naggy/Vox open to all level raiders. Just makes sense. More epic fights. Stop the potential poopsock. Currently I assume on a 50-100 server these mobs are up and not dying!?!? Sirken this was a good thing on VZTZ. Even if you won't agree buff Naggy and Vox to Kunark clones.

Ban anyone that talks about item loot.

If someone /q's /exit's or plugs make the penalty significant. Like 10mins. See Tarwine's Altergate

Also liked the way he set up the forums. Your forum name was your character name. You couldn't hide or troll people behind an alias.

ADD Yellowtext!

Leaderboard is not necessary just leads to more poopsocking and bad behavior.

I like the statistics that Rogean is thinking about

PEOPLE that cry about resists don't know shit. People that have tested it have come to the truth that it takes 10-20 times to root anyone. Just because one snare lands on someone doesn't mean it's the end of the world. If you wanna adjust it adjust it more. But this is the least of our problems. Jeebus let's create some pvp before we cry about it. Currently pvp is happening about once a month.

XP loss in PVP has been one of the best things this server ever did. Never saw a raid of people constantly dying to a cause they couldn't win because that know they are just suffering more for it. When someone wins in EQ it should amount to something! Especially in raids! It should hurt to get your ass kicked in fear and you shouldn't just try again because you got nothing to lose. Or you have no life and can out poopsock

[Kevynne]

[QUOTE=SamwiseBanned;724145]

Priority

Yellow Text - People want it, it attracts pvp, much lols will be had. The few things I took away from my LoZ experience was this. It really was fun and it even made grinding more enjoyable knowing someone is getting their asses kicked. Ultimately this game is for entertainment and no other feature entertains more than YT.

Resists - Must stay true to providing a balanced resist system over a classic one. Classic resists were built around the game being new and a lot of things where unknown/undiscovered. It was also built around a bigger population size and the availability of resist gear. No way in hell did they expect more than half the population to be decked out in blue diamond gear by Kunark. I am not saying the current system doesn't need a little tweak here and there but not at the expense of every melee being John Rambo with a few pieces of MR gear.


Secondary (please don't judge me, I am merely throwing things out there)

Leaderboard - I think leaderboard coupled with incentives is a great way to encourage pvp. Similiar to diablo II ladder, we would have "seasons." The person with the most kills at the end of the season would receive and in-game title he would wear until the next season is over then the next winner receives the title. Gives those solo pvpers something to work for.

One More Red Guide - One more guide/gm for red would be nice. Again nothing that would make me quit if it didn't happen but would definitely be appreciated by those who have waited days for assistance. Not that you aren't on everyday but its easy to miss Sirken by an hour or two multiple days in a row.

Increase PvP Rez Timer - The victors of a pvp encounter should be able to rez the dead (assuming they have a cleric ofc.) It would allow the victors to maintain zone control and reimburse the xp lost to their teammates. This will also encourage people to be civil so that should they lose a major battle, they can ask the victors to rez and scoot.


Would like to add Group Experience to priorities;
CrystalBlue has said this alot but it's very true
take all current 50-60 xp bonus and funnel that into a grouping bonus so 50-60 get 100% xp and lets say full group gets [100%+ (#of players in group x5)]+xp bonus(es)+ ZEMs

Would also like to add to controcersial: Item Loot
May I suggest running a beta were item loot is allowed, and then have all who played on beta VOTE to let item loot in and such. It would work like how it worked on RZ basically. and too keep the bluebs here maybe limit item loot to say 1-3 items depending on lvl range?

Also to Controversial: No drops being tradeable
Now this i KNOW is not classic and doesn't sound like any sense; but they had it on VZ/TZ and it kinda changed the economy abit; since lvl 1s could wear planar loot and therefore it drove prices of OTHER gears that were pricey if the said planar/no trade items were tradeable plummet and allow lowbies who are poor (like myself) to better gear themselves without having to be a raiding guild/person

AND would liek to add to Secondary: Hot Zones
Hot Zones would make this game=
easier to level with groups/friends
encourage PVP in zones
make unpopulated zones populated for a short time
in the 3rd point sense i would say change hot points bi weekly-monthly maybe even weekly?

[Rushmore]

Originally Posted by SamwiseBanned [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Controversial

FFA Rules/No GM Intervention - Too much rule lawyering and he said/she said bs. There were times pre-Kunark when we decided not to port up to planes to pvp for fear of accidently training the opposition then being banned. I've seen both sides train (not in a few months) during Naggy pvp but I wasn't pro enough to keep FRAPs running 24/7. My point is training is something you cannot enforce 24/7. We have xp loss which is straight outta the SZ playbook so its not too crazy to say we need a FFA server. I wasn't going to mention names but this is common server knowledge that Slathar repeatedly trained people on a daily basis. I have no clue how he managed to sweet talk his way out of dozens of petitions but he did. Let us pvp without having to worry about one pathing kobold training the entire zone.

Note: I will be editing the hell out of this until I get it right and as I add more stuff. I think everyone should keep their suggests to one post unless you get locked out of editing it.

Did not read this but I hopefully know what it said. No one pays anyone to police this server so let the server police itself. It worked a long time ago. It could work again.

[Rushmore]

Originally Posted by Kevynne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also to Controversial: No drops being tradeable
Now this i KNOW is not classic and doesn't sound like any sense; but they had it on VZ/TZ and it kinda changed the economy abit; since lvl 1s could wear planar loot and therefore it drove prices of OTHER gears that were pricey if the said planar/no trade items were tradeable plummet and allow lowbies who are poor (like myself) to better gear themselves without having to be a raiding guild/person

AND would liek to add to Secondary: Hot Zones
Hot Zones would make this game=
easier to level with groups/friends
encourage PVP in zones
make unpopulated zones populated for a short time
in the 3rd point sense i would say change hot points bi weekly-monthly maybe even weekly?

only for 40-60. Keep it easy to level to that level range. But would agree if so. No sense in making Crushbone a hotzone when no one cares. It's like an NFL sunday with the Packers having no one to play with. Let's get it going.........

[Nirgon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2bCO6tr7Zw

^ Where I see this thread going

Me = Jeff Goldblum