Current Sky Schedule

[Turd]

The first island has a much longer spawn time now. I watched the princess die at about 6:30EST and it is now 12:15EST and she is still not back up.

[Culkasi]

I can confirm Europa still goes up 1-2x pr month on Mondays, we try to communicate with Fires of Heaven when that happens so they are aware

[bktroost]

AG basically goes up on Tuesdays throughout the day/ as time allows. Sometimes we will go up to just kill EoV or pull mobs to island 1 early and then do a raid during the pm. Just block off Tuesday for us.

[Erati]

We are trying to get a few set of keys for pick up sky raids when slots are open - but have mostly centralized our pick up raids around the Thursday PM slot that Taken had

if someone wanted to change "Taken" to "Awakened" on the list that would be fairly accurate for our Sky slot

[Kileras]

Anonymous still weekly clearing sky on weds nights.

[wrighter00]

This should really be posted on the raid discussion forum. Let it be known, however, that the GMs have yet to give FoH permissions to use the raid forums after multiple inquiries. So we're handicapped compared to other guilds. Sometimes it's best to provide info in game. Some people avoid these forums like the plague. The only member who posted here is our leader, and he wasn't even present last night.

I want to take this time to ask that people follow the play nice policy before any out of game player agreements and chewing other guilds out. As far as I knew player agreements are only honored if everyone is choosing to follow them. There are too many people trying to do too little of content on this server and this stuff will happen. FoH has experienced other guilds complaining, bitching at, and expecting us to make up for content they feel they are missing out on. Europa moved on our time that is in this agreement. It was no big deal. FoH chose to only say so much, let our keys rot, and move onto other targets to avoid drama. The very next night we try to go start keying people again, we get repremanded for something that happened to us and isn't even a part of the server rules. We conceded Sky that night, keys can be bought for Isle two, and key corpses can be reset at any day and any time.

I see no problem other than FoH continually getting screwed out of content, and moving on to other stuff to avoid the drama. Even after asking to work together in some cases. I was, personally, asked by a member of Clue to show them how to do a pull in Sky on a Monday night that we let them have. Karana forbid they tag along on the Sunday night we go up instead and let me show them then. Just run us out and try to make us buy you keys saying "We'll remember this".

FYI I'm not mad or anything. It's a video game, guys, not the streets of LA.




Rainwarden Tolo - 60 Druid - Fires of Heaven - Officer

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Europa moved on our time that is in this agreement. It was no big deal. FoH chose to only say so much, let our keys rot, and move onto other targets to avoid drama.
Rainwarden Tolo - 60 Druid - Fires of Heaven - Officer

Right, here is the deal. FoH decided to do Monday Sky. Europa didn't then sweep in and say we would also do it, we have always done the AM Monday slot. We try (I try) everytime we do Sky (1-2 times per month max) to send FoH a message on these boards letting them know in advance. They know exactly what time we go up and what time we finish. There are no secrets, no bullying, nothing. I think I have forgot to notify FoH twice, but that has not been on purpose and is just because, you know, life and all that. Noone is trying to cheat FoH of anything. There are a million empty slots in the rotation right now, I am sorry that we a cpl of times a month go up at the slot that we still hold, and even try to let you know in advance?

Saying Europa moved on your time in the agreement is.....well....lets just say I don't find that to be fair at all. We were in the Sky rotation long before you were and we have always done Sky at exactly the same time on a Monday. Only difference is we only do it 1-2 times a month now instead of every Monday.

Anyway, I don't understand how anyone can hold a grudge against Europa here, but if you want to talk it over instead of slanting us here, catch me in game or via PMs here.

[Thurgrim]

Hi Culkasi, we cant (and shouldnt, myself and Rainwarden) comment on what was discussed between Qani and Europa. I do know we can move forward and work towards a compromise that'll work for all.

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, here is the deal. FoH decided to do Monday Sky. Europa didn't then sweep in and say we would also do it, we have always done the AM Monday slot. We try (I try) everytime we do Sky (1-2 times per month max) to send FoH a message on these boards letting them know in advance. They know exactly what time we go up and what time we finish. There are no secrets, no bullying, nothing. I think I have forgot to notify FoH twice, but that has not been on purpose and is just because, you know, life and all that. Noone is trying to cheat FoH of anything. There are a million empty slots in the rotation right now, I am sorry that we a cpl of times a month go up at the slot that we still hold, and even try to let you know in advance?

Saying Europa moved on your time in the agreement is.....well....lets just say I don't find that to be fair at all. We were in the Sky rotation long before you were and we have always done Sky at exactly the same time on a Monday. Only difference is we only do it 1-2 times a month now instead of every Monday.

Anyway, I don't understand how anyone can hold a grudge against Europa here, but if you want to talk it over instead of slanting us here, catch me in game or via PMs here.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Thurgrim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hi Culkasi, we cant (and shouldnt, myself and Rainwarden) comment on what was discussed between Qani and Europa. I do know we can move forward and work towards a compromise that'll work for all.

But, you (Rainwarden) are though;

Europa moved on our time that is in this agreement. It was no big deal. FoH chose to only say so much, let our keys rot, and move onto other targets to avoid drama.

This is straight up a lie. We didn't move on anyones Sky night or time. We did Sky on the night and time Europa has done Sky for some 3½-4 years. There is nothing strange about this, its been public knowledge to everyone and posted on these forums. I really don't understand how you can say we moved on your time in this agreement and then try to make it sound like it was some weird agreement Qani and I made. Horseshit! The only agreement Qani and I made, after I found out that Fires of Heaven was dead set on taking the Monday PM slot despite the issues that was outlined with that, was that I would try to let FoH know in advance when we did Sky so you could plan accordingly.

I appreciate FoH wants to get in on Sky, and you should, its a great zone, and a good way to learn to do raids etc. There are quite a few open slots on the agreement, and if you accept that island 1 can be down for random reasons (Noble pulls, Gwan etc), then you will be able to do Sky on one of the open slots without problems 40 weeks of the year I'd guess. And you should, its one of the ways to assert yourself as a raiding guild on the server and to progress as a guild. Another way is to be a little bit respectful and not throw lies around when it suits you, it looks bad, especially when everyone else knows that Europa has held that Monday Sky slot for years, and it doesn't foster good working relationships.

So backtrack a little bit, try not to be buthurt, get your facts straight, and have a look at the current rotation again, and see if there is a good spot for you in there that noone else is currently holding, claim that, and try to be prepared for island 1 to be down.

I really don't know what kind of compromise you want to work out. Europa does Monday Sky 2pm-5pm EST a cpl of times a month like we have for years, and we try to remember to let you know when we do it because Monday PM seems to suit you well - is there really more to compromise about?

[Kileras]

Mistakes are made in sky all the time, especially by new guilds. I know we had some issues before with Clue at the beginning of sky, and also later on when we accidentally cleared stuff on their night. A lot of us have been used to the schedule that was in place, and don't think to check this thread every single time before we go up. I apologize if anonymous has ever caused any issue with others nights, and generally if we have we have bought them any and all keys they needed.

This seems like a generaly dispute between your two guilds, if you would like me to help as a middleman i can. Or, if you would like me to post on your behalf to the raid discussion thread, I will. Bottom line is that people should not be ruining other peoples sky nights, and If they are they get the name and shame treatment.

mistakes are made, but the only reason any of us all get along is by letting a bunch of those slide.

If either of you ever need help re-keying or figuring out island pulls, my offer still stands from anonymous to help.