Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is really really sad. He knows he's lost the actual argument but his brain literally will not allow a concession so he's just going to keep whining about trolling instead as if anyone actually cares lol. Give it up DSM. You contradicted your own argument. Whining about trolling isn't an argument. Log off the forums and go do whatever you're so busy with tonight. You need a break from this.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not my fault you seriously think class DPS can only be determined by gathering group data. Please answer this question honestly:

"If I provided 1000 data sets of a group where a Mage parsed at 40 DPS due to his group members sucking, does that mean a Mage's DPS in a group is an average of 40?"

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"If I provided 1000 data sets of a group where a Mage parsed at 40 DPS due to his group members sucking, does that mean a Mage's DPS in a group is an average of 40?"

Nope. It's the same as you providing 1 dataset of you soloing a mob. It's the wrong conditions to gather the data that is relevant to this discussion. Reminder: The discussion is about a 4 man caster group where all players are assumed at least moderately good at the game. A 60 mage under these conditions would parse higher than 40 dps every time. This argument you're trying to make is absurd. As are most arguments you try to make.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's now admitted that mage is better at royals and necro is better at fungi king. He's basically just clinging on to shaman being helpful for ixiblat and maybe like WW dragons? He's backed himself into a very tiny corner with his own words at this point. Would ANYBODY base their entire group makeup for 1-60 and beyond around what class makes more sense for Ixiblat? Or would you take a mage/necro that makes more sense in the vast majority of cases? I played actively on blue for YEARS and I think I killed Ixiblat like twice.

This thread really should be over. I know it won't end. But DSM literally backed himself into a tiny corner and the floor has fallen out beneath him. He's dangling by a thread and is going to continue to argue from there I'm sure.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said all of this before, you just aren't reading, as usual. You simply have this strange straw man that I am obsessed with Shamans.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay so we've established shaman has no place in this hypothetical best 4 man caster group outside of a niche mob or two. You keep bringing up Ixiblat which is one of very few situations where I think shaman might be helpful.

There ya have it boys and girls. If you want the best 4 man caster group for Ixiblat and maybe 1-2 other things put a shaman in there. For 1-60 and 95% of everything else at 60 pick something else.

End of thread.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope. It's the same as you providing 1 dataset of you soloing a mob. It's the wrong conditions to gather the data that is relevant to this discussion. Reminder: The discussion is about a 4 man caster group where all players are assumed at least moderately good at the game. A 60 mage under these conditions would parse higher than 40 dps every time. This argument you're trying to make is absurd. As are most arguments you try to make.

Thank you. You have proven my point.

You cannot control what the other 3 members of your group are doing (unless you are boxing lol). Remember, you have to gather DPS data in the real game, not the hypothetical where you assume everybody is perfect. That isn't always the case.

If I provided group DPS numbers where my Shaman was root/rotting because the group allowed me, you would say that isn't fair, not correct, etc.

The only way to show the absolute most fair and balanced representation of class DPS is to provide the same kind of data I have, in a situation without these outside elements.

Then you can show what average DPS looks like between the classes, assuming your group is playing well.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you. You have proven my point.

You cannot control what the other 3 members of your group are doing (unless you are boxing lol). Remember, you have to gather DPS data in the real game, not the hypothetical where you assume everybody is perfect. That isn't always the case.

If I provided group DPS numbers where my Shaman was root/rotting because the group allowed me, you would say that isn't fair, not correct, etc.

The only way to show the absolute most fair and balanced representation of class DPS is to provide the same kind of data I have, in a situation without these outside elements.

Then you can show what average DPS looks like between the classes, assuming your group is playing well.

You're assuming that you are a good player which is questionable at best since you think 2 encs and a cleric is gonna wipe all the time without a shaman for safety. Again you keep trying to change the subject. Let's get back on topic: You have contradicted yourself into a corner. Shaman does not belong in the best 4 man caster group outside of a couple niche situations. This is your own words. The question at hand was a general question. Nobody asked about ixiblat. Therefore your argument for shaman being included in the best 4 man caster group is invalidated by your own admission.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming that you are a good player which is questionable at best since you think 2 encs and a cleric is gonna wipe all the time without a shaman for safety. Again you keep trying to change the subject. Let's get back on topic: You have contradicted yourself into a corner. Shaman does not belong in the best 4 man caster group outside of a couple niche situations. This is your own words. The question at hand was a general question. Nobody asked about ixiblat. Therefore your argument for shaman being included in the best 4 man caster group is invalidated by your own admission.

Thank you for showing you cannot disprove what I just posted. Whenever this happens, you go back to trolling.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please answer this question honestly

Pleaded the 700+ poster who will neither acknowledge irrefutable facts nor answer the majority of my questions posed to him at all, much less answer them honestly hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember, you have to gather DPS data in the real game, not the hypothetical where you assume everybody is perfect. That isn't always the case.

Stated the poster who has multiple posts (out of his single-handed 700+) in which he advocates for calculating raw class capabilities based on math and removing any player at all (let alone multiple players, as there would be in a 4 man group) from the equation. Hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for showing you cannot disprove what I just posted. Whenever this happens, you go back to trolling.

I'm not trolling. I very seriously mean it when I say you backed yourself into a corner and disproved your own argument with your own words. You almost certainly didn't do this on purpose and you're probably upset at yourself for slipping and admitting you were wrong. You might even be mad at me for catching your slip and continuing to point it out to you. But at the end of the day none of this changes the facts. You have admitted that your 700+ post initial argument is incorrect with your own words.


Please take a break. You're flustered and desperate and your attempts to change the subject or make insane new arguments out of nowhere is embarrassing. Just pretend you're busy IRL and have stuff to do like you were doing earlier.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not trolling. I very seriously mean it when I say you backed yourself into a corner and disproved your own argument with your own words. You almost certainly didn't do this on purpose and you're probably upset at yourself for slipping and admitting you were wrong. You might even be mad at me for catching your slip and continuing to point it out to you. But at the end of the day none of this changes the facts. You have admitted that your 700+ post initial argument is incorrect with your own words.


Please take a break. You're flustered and desperate and your attempts to change the subject or make insane new arguments out of nowhere is embarrassing. Just pretend you're busy IRL and have stuff to do like you were doing earlier.

If you are serious, then you should understand the basic logic that gathering data in a group setting (especially only 1 set of data as Troxx has currently provided) is much more susceptible to manipulation via outside forces (your group members).

I can only assume you do get this, but cannot admit it because then you would be forced to concede my data isn't invalid. Once you concede that, then you admit the DPS gap isn't great.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are serious, then you should understand the basic logic that gathering data in a group setting (especially only 1 set of data as Troxx has currently provided) is much more susceptible to manipulation via outside forces (your group members).

I can only assume you do get this, but cannot admit it because then you would be forced to concede my data isn't invalid. Once you concede that, then you admit the DPS gap isn't great.

Please take a break. You're flustered and desperate and your attempts to change the subject or make insane new arguments out of nowhere is embarrassing. Just pretend you're busy IRL and have stuff to do like you were doing earlier.