Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Troxx]

Yeah, naw … I’m sure anyone silently reading along but not posting who is capable of basic logic, reason, and who is capable of engaging in the teensiest bit of abstract thought would agree. Thing is … there isn’t anyone silently reading this dumpster fire. It’s just you, me, and over a dozen people who agree with me and think you would benefit from some ABA therapy for adults. Maybe a dating coach for adults with developmental disabilities.

Have you watched the Netflix series entitled “Love on the Spectrum”? I highly recommend for anyone. It is insightful, heart warming, and comically entertaining at times. By far one of the best docuseries I’ve ever watched.

Anyway … back to GIFs because online debate with DSM is pointless without a little humor.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, naw … I’m sure anyone silently reading along but not posting who is capable of basic logic, reason, and who is capable of engaging in the teensiest bit of abstract thought would agree. Thing is … there isn’t anyone silently reading this dumpster fire. It’s just you, me, and over a dozen people who agree with me and think you would benefit from some ABA therapy for adults. Maybe a dating coach for adults with developmental disabilities.

Have you watched the Netflix series entitled “Love on the Spectrum”? I highly recommend for anyone. It is insightful, heart warming, and comically entertaining at times. By far one of the best docuseries I’ve ever watched.

Anyway … back to GIFs because online debate with DSM is pointless without a little humor.

Thanks for proving my point about you being a troll, yet again.

If you want to have a serious discussion, you need to prove why you think my evidence and math is invalid. Until then, please continue to prove my point that you are just trolling by posting more memes and insults.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you need to prove why you think my evidence and math is invalid.

As soon as you present some evidence I would love to run the math with you.

We’re still waiting on you to join a fast moving, high dps group on your shaman and post some evidence. Ally even invited you to join her … you said you wouldn’t be online when she was yet magically found the time to post every 30 seconds here while she was doing it.

Please provide some evidence. We have hard data from myself and Ally … and napkin math and a few isolated SOLO fights from you.

Over a dozen of us “trolls” have literally been waiting 200 pages for you to do it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As soon as you present some evidence I would love to run the math with you.

We’re still waiting on you to join a fast moving, high dps group on your shaman and post some evidence. Ally even invited you to join her … you said you wouldn’t be online when she was yet magically found the time to post every 30 seconds here while she was doing it.

Please provide some evidence. We have hard data from myself and Ally … and napkin math and a few isolated SOLO fights from you.

That isn't how this works. You provided DPS data, and I provided DPS data.

You made a new claim saying my DPS data isn't valid, so it is up to you to prove it.

Asking me to prove a negative by proving my evidence is valid isn't how debates work. Otherwise I could just say the same thing about your data, and we would get nowhere.

I am amazed you don't understand how the burden of proof works.

Trolling/memeing/insulting for 200+ posts isn't proving your point at all, either.

I also find it amazing you don't realize people can make plans for different times of the day, in advance. I am not going to cancel plans I made days before Allishia's post during the same period Allishia was playing just to play Everquest.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As soon as you present some evidence I would love to run the math with you.

We’re still waiting on you to join a fast moving, high dps group on your shaman and post some evidence.

We’ve been waiting over 200 pages. Why not just do it. If your “math” is correct you will perform fantastically. If your shaman + pet is as “good enough” as you say it is I promise I will concede. Why would I include a mage who basically only slings dps when I could pick a shaman that does just as much dps and can also malo? I would much rather have an equivalent dps class that can also blast heal, buff, root, torpor or otherwise do crap a mage cannot to save a group in the theoretical emergency that probably will never happen … if said class can actually lay down the heat when the situation that will never happen … isn’t happening.

DPS heat-o-meter of the classes in question:

Ench: RED glowing HOT
MAGE: Hot but not glowing
Necro: a comfortably hot shower unless charming their way to “red hot” in the right camp
Shaman: the Totinos pizza rolls you microwaved 10 minutes ago but forgot about

Unlike you my mind is wide open to being changed. If you want that to happen, join a fast paced high dps group and strut your stuff. Post the parses. Name the camp. Who else was in the group with you. Remember, your competition averages 100-120 dps lazily lobbing nukes and sending in a beefy tank/dps pet.

What are you scared of? It will take a lot less time and effort than what you’re already investing in this thread.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I am not scared at all. The data still supports my view. I am simply not going to agree with your incorrect premise that my data is invalid, simply because you don't like my data lol.

I have an open mind, and I would love to be proven wrong. But simply claiming you are right because you don't like my data isn't proving anything wrong. It is just childish.

As I said before:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That isn't how this works. You provided DPS data, and I provided DPS data.

You made a new claim saying my DPS data isn't valid, so it is up to you to prove it.

Asking me to prove a negative by proving my evidence is valid isn't how debates work. Otherwise I could just say the same thing about your data, and we would get nowhere.

I am amazed you don't understand how the burden of proof works.

Trolling/memeing/insulting for 200+ posts isn't proving your point at all, either.

I also find it amazing you don't realize people can make plans for different times of the day, in advance. I am not going to cancel plans I made days before Allishia's post during the same period Allishia was playing just to play Everquest.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not scared at all. The data still supports my view. :

There isn’t any data. You haven’t provided it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There isn’t any data. You haven’t provided it.

Incorrect. I have provided plenty of data.

You do know I could just say "you haven't provided data", and we would be in the same spot, right?

Covering your ears, closing your eyes, and yelling at the top of your lungs doesn't make my data disappear lol.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That isn't how this works. You provided DPS data, and I provided DPS data.

You made a new claim saying my DPS data isn't valid, so it is up to you to prove it.

Asking me to prove a negative by proving my evidence is valid isn't how debates work. Otherwise I could just say the same thing about your data, and we would get nowhere.

I am amazed you don't understand how the burden of proof works.

Trolling/memeing/insulting for 200+ posts isn't proving your point at all, either.

I also find it amazing you don't realize people can make plans for different times of the day, in advance. I am not going to cancel plans I made days before Allishia's post during the same period Allishia was playing just to play Everquest.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not scared at all. The data still supports my view.

Due to your - objectively irrefutable - movement of goal posts, it is not apparent what view you are attempting to argue for at any given time, so for the sake of the civil discussion please confirm your current view & what relevant, factual data you believe, specifically/particularly, supports said view.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am simply not going to agree with your incorrect premise that my data is invalid, simply because you don't like my data lol.

The problem is your post would seem to indicate that you believe that the data/evidence you have provided - which was specifically & explicitly not data of your Shaman's performance in a 4 person all caster/priest group - is somehow/for some reason relevant to this discussion - which, again, is specifically & explicitly about a "4 person all caster/priest group" - and therefore valid.

The data/evidence you have provided is irrelevant, this is why it is not valid nor meaningful to this discussion. Again, this has already been explained to you multiple times by multiple people, so I am not sure why your post would seem to indicate that you are still unaware of this irrefutable fact - which you cannot refute.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have an open mind, and I would love to be proven wrong.

Your seeming reluctance to even attempt to engage in a civil discussion with me - in addition to all the rest of the evidence, which is visible to all in this thread - is evidence that suggests the contrary: that being you do not have an open mind, and would not love to be proven wrong. I would certainly love to be proven wrong about this, but thus far you have apparently simply chosen to ignore my posts, dodge my questions, and make unsubstantiated - and false - claims about my posts in your replies to others hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But simply claiming you are right because you don't like my data isn't proving anything wrong. It is just childish.

Simply ignoring facts and dodging questions isn't proving yourself correct, nor others wrong. Calling others childish (or silly, or trolling) is not proving yourself correct, nor others wrong - and is indicative that you

[Troxx]

The data of you soloing mobs and not being in a group? That data? The irrelevant stuff that is not any representation of what you could do when grouped up with 2 charmed, hasted, quadding pets competing for the kill shot?

Silly fella. You’d be lucky if you could land more than one ice strike along with your pet that does 16-18 dps AFTER you spend 20 minute making attempts at summoning one that hits for 52.

You still haven’t answered the biggest question. If you are so confident in your math/data, why not prove it in a real-world (Norrath world) environment? Join a fast moving high dps group and show us what you can do.

I promise I’ll concede if you can pull it off. Not single fights mind you. Join that group and stay there for 2 hours. Parse all the fights including the ones where you spend your time canni/torporing your mana back and not nuking.

I would honestly be impressed if, sustained over time in said group, you could break even with my 60 unfocused water pet by itself.