Shadow knight aggro

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

christ if you're begging for aggro you've got bigger problems

Agreed! Nobody is suggesting that you are using beg out of necessity. But if you can fit disarm/beg/taunt on a macro you are spamming anyway, you are getting potential extra hate literally for free. Why not use it?

Snap agro is the primary agro tool of an SK, and we all agree on that.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if you can fit disarm/beg/taunt on a macro you are spamming anyway, you are getting potential extra hate literally for free. Why not use it?

I can answer this: Because the benefit gained from more aggro generation is not unlimited. Once you're already holding aggro, any additional threat, be it +1, or +1000, is wasted. Hence spamming those abilities is typically of no value on a knight who's holding aggro anyway. That's more of a warrior tactic when they're scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for any extra threat they can find.

In the specific case of beg you do actually get some "harm" by using it unnecessarily: It adds hate when it fails, so you want to keep your skill as low as possible to maximize fail rate. Using it all the time, hence skilling it up faster, is detrimental. Disarm and Taunt have no such long-term downside.

I don't like macroing abilities together because the macro button doesn't stay "greyed out" when on cooldown the same way, say, Bash does just by itself. I do use bash "strategically" when battling spellcasters, as any knight should, so I like having the visual reference. That's just personal preference, of course, and other folks can and do use other setups and do fine.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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You are simply projecting your clear trolling behavior on to me.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can answer this: Because the benefit gained from more aggro generation is not unlimited. Once you're already holding aggro, any additional threat, be it +1, or +1000, is wasted. Hence spamming those abilities is typically of no value on a knight who's holding aggro anyway. That's more of a warrior tactic when they're scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for any extra threat they can find.

Building an agro buffer means that you are more likely to hold agro. If you have +500 over the rogue, the mob is less likely to flip. Adding to the buffer is always better, since you can't see the numbers in the agro list. You have no idea if you are +1 or +500. For all you know the +1 hate from taunt every 6 seconds is the only thing keeping you at +7 over the rogue.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the specific case of beg you do actually get some "harm" by using it unnecessarily: It adds hate when it fails, so you want to keep your skill as low as possible to maximize fail rate. Using it all the time, hence skilling it up faster, is detrimental. Disarm and Taunt have no such long-term downside.

I agree that leveling up beg makes it worse. But if you never use it then you are getting nothing out of it anyway. I am sure a lot of people simply don't use it at all. Which is fine of course, I am not saying you need to use it. But I don't think having a fear of skilling up beg is a good reason to not use it. You just end up never pressing it, and getting nothing out of it.

[Danth]

I sure as heck do normally have a feel for when I have a good threat lead or not. I've also been doing the tank job a long flippin' time, and that's something that only comes with the experience of mastery at a job. Maybe some other players might not have the same instinct for the job if they haven't been doing it as long. So, yeah, if you're new to the job and uncertain of yourself, or playing in such a way that you're sometimes shaky on aggro, link those abilities if you like. If you don't need to, then don't do it.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Building an agro buffer means that you are more likely to hold agro. If you have +500 over the rogue, the mob is less likely to flip. Adding to the buffer is always better, since you can't see the numbers in the agro list. You have no idea if you are +1 or +500. For all you know the +1 hate from taunt every 6 seconds is the only thing keeping you at +7 over the rogue.

But you do still agree that the approach for which you advocate is less optimal than saving taunt to use strategicly, if you're trying to minimize the frequency of losing aggro and not flipping it right back with a successful taunt, right?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't like macroing abilities together because the macro button doesn't stay "greyed out" when on cooldown the same way, say, Bash does just by itself. I do use bash "strategically" when battling spellcasters, as any knight should, so I like having the visual reference. That's just personal preference, of course, and other folks can and do use other setups and do fine.

You can look at the abilities window or another hotkey for reference if the button is greyed out, but yeah I get that.

[bcbrown]

Silly is making over a hundred posts, almost 40% of the posts in a thread, advocating for an approach that is sub-optimal to the approach that almost everyone else in the thread advocates for.

By not making an argument that your approach is optimal, you concede by default that the other approach almost everyone else favors is optimal.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Silly is making over a hundred posts, almost 40% of the posts in a thread, advocating for an approach that is sub-optimal to the approach that almost everyone else in the thread advocates for.

By not making an argument that your approach is optimal, you concede by default that the other approach almost everyone else favors is optimal.

This is incorrect. Your misreading of this thread is not relevant. Nuance seems to be lost on you unfortunately.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is incorrect. Your misreading of this thread is not relevant. Nuance seems to be lost on you unfortunately.

Refusal to engage on the merits plus a personal attack. This is what trolling looks like.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Refusal to engage on the merits plus a personal attack. This is what trolling looks like.

You are purposely mischaracterizing my position and trying to force me to agree with it, thus making a strawman to attack. Pointing that out is not trolling. If you don't want me to point it out, please stop doing it.