Feel good sunday - Page 3

heartbrand · #22 03-24-2014, 11:35 AM

I don't think anyone would dispute that Red Dawn has the highest number of underleveled and undergeared players, yet we continually show up to fight regardless. We got ass raped by the EXP bonus but we still come, and will continue to do so. I see nothing dishonorable in offering assistance to guilds seeking pixels in exchange for pixels. While right now it may be tempting to say "fuck red dawn", because you've been farming 700 trakanons and don't need the gear anyway, when you are in Velious and you have 100 members desperately seeking those pixels that are out of reach due to pvp, offers of assistance will be far more attractive. And if they're not? Who cares, we will still show up to PVP regardless, like we did @ CT, and will continue to do so.

Kergan · #23 03-24-2014, 11:36 AM

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it worked out perfectly for RD

Your strategy worked, as I clearly stated. But you have to admit if either force went after you guys, you would have got nothing. So what's stopping Nihilum and Azrael from agreeing to wipe you guys out first before we battle for the dragon? I think it's safe to assume at this point we'd rather see loot go to RD than Azrael, and Azrael would rather see loot go to RD than Nihilum, so I think your move was good strategically. I just don't know how long both sides will let you continue doing it.

heartbrand · #24 03-24-2014, 11:38 AM

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Your strategy worked, as I clearly stated. But you have to admit if either force went after you guys, you would have got nothing. So what's stopping Nihilum and Azrael from agreeing to wipe you guys out first before we battle for the dragon? I think it's safe to assume at this point we'd rather see loot go to RD than Azrael, and Azrael would rather see loot go to RD than Nihilum, so I think your move was good strategically. I just don't know how long both sides will let you continue doing it.

Because what's to stop Red Dawn and Azrael from going after Nihilum to deny you loot and then us fight it out? Or Nihilum and RD to kill AZ and then fight it out? I could turn the scenario a variety of ways also. We can easily also wait to port into any fight until it's already under way. At the end of the day EverQuest is a game about pixels. Right now both guilds, Nihilum & Azrael, are basically BiS Kunark outside of VP, so these fights are primarily for pvp bragging rights only. In Velious, these mobs will all be dropping needed upgrades. Shrug.

Nirgon · #25 03-24-2014, 11:39 AM

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You think ya'll cute puttin' this in ya'll's sigs?

Kergan · #26 03-24-2014, 11:41 AM

People throw around the word alliance way too easily. Azrael and Nihilum go after each other with borderline irrational levels of disdain. There is and will never be any form of alliance, what fun would that be?

99% of my guild would disagree with me here, but I honestly would have rather seen Azrael get the dragon over RD. Ideally (for us) we'd have taken out Sev while Azrael recovered from the initial loss and before they regrouped and forced us out. The PVP seems somewhat hollow to me when we're fighting over something and neither of us gets it because we let a third group walk up and take it uncontested. We don't need jack shit from that dragon, that isn't the point. I don't know if Azrael even needs anything from that dragon but I doubt it.

heartbrand · #27 03-24-2014, 11:43 AM

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People throw around the word alliance way too easily. Azrael and Nihilum go after each other with borderline irrational levels of disdain. There is and will never be any form of alliance, what fun would that be?

99% of my guild would disagree with me here, but I honestly would have rather seen Azrael get the dragon over RD. Ideally (for us) we'd have taken out Sev while Azrael recovered from the initial loss and before they regrouped and forced us out. The PVP seems somewhat hollow to me when we're fighting over something and neither of us gets it because we let a third group walk up and take it uncontested. We don't need jack shit from that dragon, that isn't the point. I don't know if Azrael even needs anything from that dragon but I doubt it.

And that one sentence is why people vehemently hate Nihilum on this server. They farm dragons they don't need to deny fun and progression to other people on this server which in turn, moves people to either app nihilum or quit the game, and they do it in the name of "pvp" when in effect doing so really just kills competition. They would log on @ 4am to kill a Talendor so someone doesn't get an orb of tishan, rather than let other people have fun and go for it. Shrug.

Nirgon · #28 03-24-2014, 11:45 AM

I blame the guy awarding full DKP for continuing to show up to said not needed dragon.

But hey, that's me.

And when he emerges from his tomb on Easter Sunday, ya'll're done.

Kergan · #29 03-24-2014, 11:46 AM

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Because what's to stop Red Dawn and Azrael from going after Nihilum to deny you loot and then us fight it out? Or Nihilum and RD to kill AZ and then fight it out? I could turn the scenario a variety of ways also. We can easily also wait to port into any fight until it's already under way. At the end of the day EverQuest is a game about pixels. Right now both guilds, Nihilum & Azrael, are basically BiS Kunark outside of VP, so these fights are primarily for pvp bragging rights only. In Velious, these mobs will all be dropping needed upgrades. Shrug.

I'd be disappointed if Azrael went that route. It just doesn't seem their style, with all the talk of PVP dominance. I think you're overestimating RDs potential impact. Neither guild needs your support, the only reason to pay for it is for the other side not to have it. If both sides decide not to pay for your services, then you're outta bullets man.

heartbrand · #30 03-24-2014, 11:52 AM

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I'd be disappointed if Azrael went that route. It just doesn't seem their style, with all the talk of PVP dominance. I think you're overestimating RDs potential impact. Neither guild needs your support, the only reason to pay for it is for the other side not to have it. If both sides decide not to pay for your services, then you're outta bullets man.

I disagree, plus I think you aren't reading correctly.

1) We got Sev without any deals whatsoever. No "bullets" required.

2) Sim repops will mean RD will always be able to scoop up numerous targets.

3) 25 Red Dawn to either side basically guarantees victory over the other side. Again, right now neither side really cares over things like Sev because neither Nihilum nor Azrael need anything from Sev. But what if instead of Sev this was for Vulak`Aerr and it was 55 Nihilum and 30 Azrael. Do you think Azrael would turn down RD's help to take Vulak? What if it was 55 Azrael and 30 Nihilum for Vulak? You think Nihilum would just log off and say "oh well, another day I guess." Of course not. Now, out of principle on ForumQuest I'm sure you'll say "yes we would" but don't kid yourself. Just like if RD was in the pole position and we were outnumbered or in a situation we couldn't win, I would gladly accept help if it meant securing a dragon for my guild that I wouldn't otherwise win. It's because this is a video game, not real life, and I see zero shame in doing what is needed to win.

4) I think you're also underestimating how much people hate Nihilum. I think a lot of people would have zero issue with just killing Nihilum first then fighting it out Az vs RD, even if it meant RD would lose. Enough pressure from this over time would force Nihilum to rethink things.

At the end of the day, this is a game about pixels. Right now the top two guilds don't need them. When they do, and they start losing said pixels repeatedly [especially Nihilum], you'll see plenty of deal brokering. Heck, Nizzar was ready to split trak loot with just 4 members of Dentists to beat Azrael. To me, this is the fun of a 3 guild server. We will have some FFA royal rumbles, some deal making, some underhanded play etc. It's what makes the server exciting. Red Dawn is "neutral" and doesn't really care about politics of your elf guild vs the other elf guild. Perhaps if you approached the server the same way, it would be better as well.

tl;dr it's ez to claim fuck rd when u dont need the pixels