Petition to have the constant rule-breakers banned forever.

[Andis]

As much as I agree with Quiet

GMs here are not paid. it is volunteer, so of course it wont be spot on.

but at least show these new players that you wont tolerate cheaters.

having cheaters on this box is an instant turn off to playing. its a fact.

[Mac Drettj]

Originally Posted by Malevz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We had Agatha and Rettiwalk spaming ooc, when the server had low numbers, with trolls about "wipe it clear" and telling everyone that would listen that GM's were planning to wipe the server.

never once advocated wipe

i can post an SS of you oocing about me being a deadbeat dad and my kid dying tho

[Not_Kazowi]

Servers problems all come from the fact it's been sitting in the same expansion for 2 years. There's nothing to do anymore and everyone is so bored they are playing the finger pointing game while stirring the pot.

Release some content and people will be occupied again

[Derubael]

I can enjoy PvP and not want to put up with some of the more extreme bullshit that goes on in OOC. And trying to say that they should just "turn it off" if they don't like it is complete crap. They shouldn't have to go out of their way to get away from that shit. Not being subjected to it should be the norm.

On the one hand people say OOC is required for new players to be able to communicate, but on the other, they should just turn it off if they don't like it?

And being in 3 years of kunark affects players who quit long before reaching Raid levels makes sense how? The majority of players quit sub 50. They never even hit the bottleneck that is the Red 99 raid scene. So who's out of touch here? It's difficult to hear the people at the bottom when you're shouting from the top.

While I agree that there are some people who need to be banned from the server forever, that alone isn't going to fix the box. The communities attitude needs to change for that to happen. As I've stated before that doesn't mean PvP needs to stop. But there's a fundamental attitude on Red99 that has a negative impact on the box - not everyone acts this way, but enough that it keeps the server from growing.

Porz made a thread in blue RnF asking people why they quit Red, and I asked a similar question months back. So did Azure. Here's those three threads for reference:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=149043
^ mine (long)

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=149043
^ Azure's

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=162454
^ porz (short)

Also keep in mind that during my time here on staff, ever since becoming a Guide last August, I've spoken to as many people who have quit the server as I could possibly get a hold of, with a focus on the people who left right at or right before 50 (again, the majority of people who quit do so before they hit the end-game). The #1 answer we hear more than anything else is the community sucked. And yes, global ooc contributed to that.

If you want to stick to this attitude of "they need to put up with it or they shouldn't be here!" then fine, but don't be surprised if the box never breaks 200 people.

Those are my thoughts on the subject. You guys can go back and forth over why I'm wrong and why you're right and etc etc, but the bottom line is that is the core of Red99's problem - whether you want to believe it or not.


Edit:

but whose to say they dont care? If I just started on a new pvp server, and I read the boards, and see all this chatter of cheating going on, and players being able to come back...I would be turned off. instantly. who wants to invest time into a box full of cheaters?????

And what would you think if every 3rd thread said "OMG bAN CHEATERZ RIGHT NOW", "WIPE THIS BOX CLEAN 2014" , "I RMT'd and so and so is shit"

Almost every thread on these boards is either:

A) you guys asking for a wipe or
B) someone complaining about someone else

Why would anyone read these forums and want to play here?

You guys need to focus on YOU - the community, and stop worrying about wiping the box and getting person001 banned. All the negativity literally does nothing except drive people away. The box is not going to magically improve if person001 gets banned. Because it's such a small population box it's even more important that every single one of you puts your best foot forward and shows new players how much fun red can be. That's something that not enough people are doing right now, and it until it happens, you'll never break 200 people.

Edit2: I'm out for the day. You guys make it almost impossible to give any fucks about this box.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by Andis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As much as I agree with Quiet

GMs here are not paid. it is volunteer, so of course it wont be spot on.

but at least show these new players that you wont tolerate cheaters.

having cheaters on this box is an instant turn off to playing. its a fact.

This is such a sissy statement they hide behind. We have people who are logged in 18 hours a day, tap them for assistance. If you don't have the time or dedication to move the server along, don't bother running one. Find others who can assist with running it. Nothing takes 3 years to come out. No expansion in history. Not even working on it occasionally.

I support what they do. I appreciate the box they have created and I find their out look / handling to be all with best intentions. But time to man up on their side, do some work or pass it off to those who can/will.

[Andis]

'While I agree that there are some people who need to be banned from the server forever, that alone isn't going to fix the box." - derubael

I understand it is the community mostly. but look what you just said. of course it wont fix all the problems, but isn't that a good enough start?

by keeping these players in game, you make the problem even worse, rather then trying to fix it.

perma ban these offenders that keep offending. i dont get why this is not being done.

[Quiet]

I like Derubael quite a bit this isn't a knock against him at all. He is a guide, he doesn't have the oversight of the server or manage its direction. Derubael is a perfect overseer for the community and his willingness to be ironfisted is well noted and needed.

I started this server last year, no friends on here at start, started from scratch with nothing. Played the hardest class with hybrid exp penalty, and it was when server pop barely broke 130. I managed to level to 60 and get epics and in to VP without ever joining Nihilum prior to those things. I survived Mrbigs killing me in Unrest. Knights Templar in Unrest/DC/MM. I managed all the thuggery in City of Mist, KC, DL. I managed to get VP keyed while dodging Nihilum, i dealt with being treated like a 3rd class citizen by the "resistance" I had a 37 win 98 loss pvp record and was corpse and bind camped. I managed to survive just fine without issue and continue to play.

Anyone who isnt willing to take that path, isnt going to be someone you'd want to have around anyways. PVP servers have consistently been less populated then Blue servers. Players would rather deal with the absurdly slow blue exp rate then have to spend time doing CR's and more then auto attack.

[Smedy]

lets listen to rexx, it's not like he will say whatever suits him the best at the current moment

<insert stasis quote here>

theheh

[Derubael]

I do have one more thing to add:

I am willing to admit, and have done so multiple times in the past, that Red needs more Guides to keep watch during the day. Also that I have a pile of investigations that have been in the works for a long time that you guys don't even know about that need to get finished. That I recognize this will have an overall positive impact on the box.

What bothers me is that there are far too many of you completely unwilling to admit any wrongdoing on your part whatsoever. That the community holds no responsibility for the low box population or the inability to retain new players. Until people start stepping up and admitting that they might be a part of the problem - a big part - this box will never go anywhere.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Quiet

I like Derubael quite a bit this isn't a knock against him at all. He is a guide, he doesn't have the oversight of the server or manage its direction. Derubael is a perfect overseer for the community and his willingness to be ironfisted is well noted and needed.

I'm not a guide. I've been a GM since January. I have the same access level in-game as Sirken, and when we hold senior staff-meetings there are always four of us present - Sirken, Nilbog, Rogean, and myself. My opinions generally reflect Sirken's viewpoint (we are usually on the same page. If he were here he would agree with everything I just said in my previous posts), while Nilbog tends to be more strict and Rogean tends to be more lax.

Bans, CSR decisions, and server rules on Red99 are, for the most part, left up to Sirken and myself. Blue is handled in a similar fashion, except for the raid rules there, which are generally a joint decision between Rogean, Sirken, Nilbog, and myself.

Now I'm out. Too much forumquest for one morning.

[Andis]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys need to focus on YOU - the community, and stop worrying about wiping the box and getting person001 banned. All the negativity literally does nothing except drive people away. The box is not going to magically improve if person001 gets banned.

I'm sorry but perma banning an offender who has done nothing but negative things on this box, broken an infinite number of rules, and made countless $ from, is still leading Nihilum, which is the main reason why this box is what it is.

perma ban this guy and guarantee you this box will flourish

perma ban any reoccuring offender, and it helps your box out 10 fold, no questions

the fact that I have to sit here and ask for re-occuring cheaters to not be allowed here, is ridiculous

im done now, I've said all I could. enjoy the rest of the summer box pals