Yes Velious! but question?

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Jumjum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What in the world were you smoking that made Luclin amazing?

Soberness.

There were cats... ON THE MOON! How is that not amazing?

And those cute little black dudes.
And vamps.
And those bug things... Shiknar.

Awesome!

[Swish]

Think of it from the devs point of view at the time. We get Norrath with 3 continents.

Then oh look, a lost continent with lizards (that never seem to have roamed/explored outside of there). Kunark!

Then oh look, ANOTHER new continent where it snows all the time. Velious! Lets not bother adding a new playable race or extra levels though. Enjoy!

If they had any sense their next expansion had to mix it up a little bit. Not saying Luclin was perfect but they did need a new playable race and something that wasn't "another new continent".

What would you guys have done differently?

[Pyrion]

The real problems in later EQ can be summed up in one phrase: Getting rid or at least lessening of interdependance.

You need buffs? Buy buffs that last for hours. No need to get a buff class.
Need transportation? There must be a "book" close to you.
Need to buy anything? No need to interact anymore in any way.

That's really what made EQ worse for me. Cats on the moon, ok. More zones, great. New class? Why not. Just get rid of those anti social elements and luclin could be a good expansion.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Pyrion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real problems in later EQ can be summed up in one phrase: Getting rid or at least lessening of interdependance.

You need buffs? Buy buffs that last for hours. No need to get a buff class.
Need transportation? There must be a "book" close to you.
Need to buy anything? No need to interact anymore in any way.

That's really what made EQ worse for me. Cats on the moon, ok. More zones, great. New class? Why not. Just get rid of those anti social elements and luclin could be a good expansion.

Don't understand this.

Still having a druid/wizard porter saves 10+minutes of running time to certain places and for big zones like Dreadlands, Karanas, Velious, Luclin.
You still need a group to exp, level, quest, earn plats, get spells.
You still need a raid to key yourself, get uber raid loot, get rare spells, get epics.

People don't invite enchanters solely for clarity. (If they do they are dumb) A group getting KEI for 3 hours would still invite an enchanter for mezzes, lull pulls, and charm DPS.
See above. Still plenty of locations where a port would save you a decent chunk of time.

I don't get why people get all excited when they /tell can you port me to DL for 50pp? And /gsay thanks!. You say like 2 sentences to a porter. Why is this interaction so important to you? Same with buying and selling stuff in EC. It's all very inconvenient because you need to wait on someone else.

Does inconveniencing someone else's day to help you save time traveling or haggling them down 500 plat really make EQ better for you? I don't understand how long duration buffs, wizard spires that auto port from 4 locations every 30 minutes, and the ability to set and forget a sales toon to sell while you're asleep or at work, "kills social interaction".

When I'm in game, bothering people for ports, and trying to buy items are not the social interactions I'm looking forward to. It's getting together with a group of friends to kill some monsters and complete a quest, or getting together with a guild to down a dragon, with all the voice chat or group/Guildchat shennanigans along the way that makes the social aspect of the game for me.

[maskedmelon]

It encourages social interaction with strangers which fosters community. You can rail against it as inconvenience, but at the end of the day it is the reason for the difference between modern mmo communities and the community of vanilla EQ. It is a simple truth of life, the more independent one is, the less interest they have in others. Sure groups and guilds offer social interaction, but the associated exclusivity inherently discourages further casual interactions I the same way that independence does. Don't get me wrong, i think highly of independence and self reliance, but neither of those encourage community.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think of it from the devs point of view at the time. We get Norrath with 3 continents.

Then oh look, a lost continent with lizards (that never seem to have roamed/explored outside of there). Kunark!

Then oh look, ANOTHER new continent where it snows all the time. Velious! Lets not bother adding a new playable race or extra levels though. Enjoy!

If they had any sense their next expansion had to mix it up a little bit. Not saying Luclin was perfect but they did need a new playable race and something that wasn't "another new continent".

What would you guys have done differently?

With the way they set up the original purchased expansions versus extra free original content, they probably didn't, at the time, want to just add more zones off existing content and call it a purchasable expansion.

Plane of Fear/Hate/Air and

Sol Ro/Warrens/Stonebrunt/Paineel/Hole/Jaggedpine all free optional downloads

versus

Kunark + Veskar
Velious
Luclin
Planes of Power

Then Legacy of Ykesha and Lost Dungeons came along and all that went away.

[wormed]

When it comes to expansions, when people bring in Lore as an argument against it, I generally laugh. Lore should be a minimal reason why an expansion should not be brought in. Luclin had actual mechanics that people disliked. That's a far more concrete reason to not bring it in.

But again, I'm for Luclin/PoP. I enjoyed those era's. They were different than classic but I'd say Velious/Luclin/PoP was my most heavily raided days. I definitely enjoyed MTing AoW, and all the Velious targets and many PoP targets.

[Daldaen]

It is inconvenience pure and simple.

No one was forced to use the new Luclin Ui which enabled Bazaar trading. Just like no one was forced to use the nexus spires.

You can choose to continue playing as if neither of those exist. Ask for your ports to the Nexus and /auction WTS Bags of gear at Banker. If that makes you feel happy, so be it.

Yes a Guild is more encapsulated/selective interaction. But that exact stuff happens in Vanilla and Kunark. I almost never ask random people for ports or rezzes. That's what guild chat is for. I also mostly am Rezzing and porting guildies on my own porter/rezzer.

The thing about the community is nonsense, especially on this server. There was FAR more a sense of a community on Live during Luclin/PoP where people were all about helping others and making themselves available to help others. As compared to this server where 80% of the 50-60 populous is permanently Anon/Roleplay since they can't be bothered to respond to a request for assistance. I have a deep seated hatred of people who permanently have roleplay or Anon on. Terrible players and worse people.

[Rararboker]

I feel like this Daldaen guy lacks the ability to comprehend a lot of what people say. Super glad he has no impact on what does/doesn't happen to the server.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a deep seated hatred of people who permanently have roleplay or Anon on. Terrible players and worse people.

Sorry Daldaen but you obviously haven't played a 49+ cleric.

Sit in EC for 5 minutes with your level/class showing and you'll be getting those rez requests in Timorous Deep/OOT/Dalnir/Permafrost and Lower Guk in no time.

Nobody in their right mind plays a cleric to make money, and these days with the amount of cleric epics floating around everyone feels entitled to a click. I still donate in peridots, but I know a lot of people don't donate anything anymore.

Do I give people false hope by showing my level/class and then having to say "sorry I'm immersed in EconomyQuest right now"? or do I just do the easiest thing for everyone and keep the anon/role tag up?

Enchanters are the same I think with different circumstances - how many C/C2 requests do they get if they're grouped in KC/Seb I wonder? Not that I'd mind if I was full mana but it's a pain to be giving crack/haste to half the zone.